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Where's the love for Rocky and Bullwinkle?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by D'Snowth, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I just got to thinking...

    Sid and Marty Krofft were celebrated earlier this year, not only because of the Land of the Lost movie, but 1969 kicked off their legacy of large-headed, acid-trippy puppets with high-concept television shows, beginning with H.R. Pufnstuf.

    And of course, Sesame Street is celebrated right now, as it's been on the air for 40 years, and made a big difference in children's education.

    But it just now occured to me... Rocky and Bullwinkle aren't getting any love this year... this year marks their 50th anniversary, TV Guide not only named them one of the greatest animated shows of all time, but the duo also made number three in TV Guide's Top 50 Greatest Cartoon Characters of all time. So, with them being so great an all, how come nobody is recognizing their anniversary as well?

    EDIT: Well, I forgot WGN America DID add them to their Saturday night lineup for a few weeks, but still...
  2. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Well, it's also the 40th. anniversary of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? first airing and Neal Armstrong walking on the moon but I haven't seen as much hype over that either. It's a shame because these are all great shows/events.:concern:
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I blame the movie, even though I did like it, and found it to be a more flattering movie based on a cartoon than all the ones I usually rant about. But then again, whoever it was who had the brilliant idea to choke up the movie with that useless Mary Sue should be blacklisted from ever working period. Not even at McDonalds. "Sure, I thought a cheeseburger would be nice, but how about I put a banana peel in it for no reason?"

    Seems that killed the franchise, and the death of Sony Wonder gunking up the works on the DVD releases of the Rocky and Bullwinkle show isn't helping either...

    I'm sorry, but Bullwinkle IS an important animated program.. much more so than even the Flintstones. It literally caused networks to react negatively at all of the producers stunts, and it sent shockwaves through the industry.

    And while I could go on about that, I wanna say this... where the heck is the love for Hoppity Hooper? The long lost stepheaded redchild of Jay Ward lore? I only found it on bootlegged expired copyright DVD... even Fractured Flickers got an official release.
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, like when the Bullwinkle puppet told the kids watching at home to pull the dial off their TV sets to make sure they'll tune into the same channel next week... then that next week him telling the kids to glue the dials back on "and make it stick".
  5. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I think that all shows no matter should get anniversary specials or at least some like people talking about their favorite episodes or serials. Maybe we'll here about something during the Thanksgiving Parade this year.

    I wouldn't mind seeing a speical of all of Jay Wards shows. They all are great and all but i do miss Nick showing Underdog and Bullwinkle and Rocky.

    The first time i saw season one of Bullwinkle and Rocky i bought it right away. But never did get the rest of the DVDs and then i heard they never did release the rest of the seasons. So now i don't know if i should get rid of the first season or keep it in case but it was one of the other first DVDs i bought. Still has a little sentimental value.
  6. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Bullwinkle and Rocky are definitely tops! I love the cartoon and Dudley Do-Right in particular. George of the Jungle and Underdog are both good too- Jay Ward had lots of great cartoons.
    And though I haven't gotten around to seeing the Underdog movie yet- I have seen the movie versions of Bullwinkle, Dudley Do-Right and George of the Jungle (yes, including the sequel) and I thought they were all great! I laughed like crazy at the Dudley Do-Right movie- and I thought Bullwinkle was hilarious! I've seen that one numerous times. And both George of the Jungle movies were hilarious- even the direct-to-video sequel, which was surprising.:)
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Dudley Do-Right movie was the worst of the bunch, I think... I enjoyed it the first 2 times I watched it, but after that, I just didn't wanna pick the video up again, other than watching the new Fractured Fairy Tales they produced... based on a lost, unproduced script, no less. Seems the only people in the movie who got what Dudley was all about were the guy who played Snidely and the guy who played Inspector Fenwick... I really didn't like SJP's version of Nell (much how I disliked her husband's Inspector Gadget... and I both like them as actors), and Brendan Frasier was just better as George all together.

    I think George was the best... it went off book, and did its own thing several times, but it at least kept the spirit of the show... even the DTV sequal kept that spirit... wisecracks to the narrator, snide asides... and having John Cleese as an Ape named Ape was perfect casting... I wish the new George of the Jungle cartoon was that good... it ain't.
  8. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Inspector Gadget probably wasn't all it could have or should have been- but it was at least an interesting back story for the character and it did reveal the face of Dr. Claw- that was neat. And again, I was surprised that the direct-to-video sequel wasn't as horrible as I thought it might have been- though I don't know that French Stewart is necessarily any better as Gadget than Matthew Broderick. (Of course, the best casting would've been Don Adams in his prime, obviously.:))
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If I could list everything that was wrong with Inspector Gadget the movie, I'd pretty much just wind up retyping the entire screenplay. Mathew Broaderick got the role well before he watched an episode, and even then, he wasn't all that into it. I really think Tony Shaloub would have done a much better job. But that's besides the point.

    All interrest really faded from Bullwinkle after the movie, and the lack of the PROMISED seasons 4 and 5 (the last 2 seasons of the show) on DVD did nothing either. Of course, I'm really glad we got George of the Jungle on DVD. Especially since it had the rare, never aired pilot films of George and Super Chicken on there... Too Bad William Conrad only did the narrator of SC for that one pilot. I really wish that somehow, the other pilots Ward produced would be leaked somewhere, either on DVD or the internet...I'm dying to see Hawkear the Pioneer Scout and Rah Rah Woozy. Not to mention the unsold puppet pilot "The Watts Gnu show."
  10. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    Yeah I would have to agree with Drtooth. The movie did do a lot of damage to the franchise. That's the kind of damage that can take some time or hard work to come back from. Like how 1998's Batman and Robin almost killed the entire Batman franchise. Why Joel is still making movies, I'll never know.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    When Classic Media bought up the license after Universal dumped it, it gave them a new lease on life... until the whole bull with Sony Wonder stopped them from releasing the rest of the series on DVD. There was all this new merchandise too... and now there's really nothing, but that terrible George of the Jungle cartoon on CN. You know, the one that just takes the names of the characters and pretends to be a show of its own, but really turns into something exactly like "My Gym Partner is a Monkey?"

    I just want them to release the end of the RB cartoon series./.. at the very least give us the rest of the series.
  12. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    As a kid, the first time I saw Bullwinkle was on the Tennessee Tuxedo and his Tales syndicated series. It only showed the Bullwinkle's Corner and Mr. Know it All skits in that series. As I got older, I soon discovered the Rocky and Bullwinkle series and got to see the moose and squirrel in exciting and silly adventure chapters.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Ah, yes... the Peter Piech Filmtel packaging job that caused so much confusion, leading people to believe Jay was responsible for Underdog and Commander McBragg. The fact they used the same Mexican studio wasn't much help either... and now they're both owned (or at least co-owned) by Media Rights... MORE confusion, perpetually connecting the shows together.
  14. Redsonga

    Redsonga Well-Known Member

    Rocky and Bullwinkle is weird for me...I like it and all, but I always got the feeling it was cut up from how it normally looked on tv...
  15. The Mush

    The Mush Member

    Jay Ward was a legend. His stuff was always hilarious and he always went for the laugh. He and Bill Scott were two comedy legends and you could tell that they all loved the characters, satire, and cornball puns.
    Drtooth said:
    And while I could go on about that, I wanna say this... where the heck is the love for Hoppity Hooper? The long lost stepheaded redchild of Jay Ward lore? I only found it on bootlegged expired copyright DVD... even Fractured Flickers got an official release.
    I got alotta Hoppity episodes on my "600 Cartoon Collection" set and I cherisch them with my R&B and George of the Jungle DVDs
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I definitely want to get that, but I'd much rather a cleaned up official release.

    That said, I can watch all the Rocky and Bullwinkle I want on hulu, and I still would much rather get the DVD's too for collectors purposes.

    Yeah, Hooper gets no love, respect, or even a remembrance. I really wish somehow someone in the Ward family would post something online... they have some pilot films that we'll never see. I'd LOVE to see Rah Rah Woozy. Of course, I don't know how many of them were finished. he had millions of shows that went no where. I love seeing the second (and only finished) Super Chicken pilot on the George of the Jungle DVD. Plus, if somehow we could see the Watt's Gnu show, I'd be eternally grateful.
  17. The Mush

    The Mush Member

    Your right there buthe people that own the TV rights to a lot of the Jay Ward stuff and Underdog own the TV rights to Hoppity, so I suspect that it's owned by Classic Media, so they could surprise us.
  18. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I personally really like Rocky and Bullwinkle. I watched the movie as well when I was five, and saw whole episodes of the show sometime last year (I saw clips before). They have great puns! I think some of their other characters are really underrated though such as Dudley Do Right, Nell, Snidley, Peabody, Sherman, and Aesop and Son.
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I often wonder why there were two syndication packages (The Rocky Show and The Bullwinkle Show). It seems The Bullwinkle Show syndication package is the most commonly-broadcast syndication package, and ironically, that syndication package only includes the last season of the actual Bullwinkle Show, along with every cliffhanger from Rocky and His Friends. Though I've read that Nickelodeon had both syndication packages in the 1990s (and I do recall seeing a number of cliffhangers that I haven't seen broadcast elsewhere in syndication).

    I recall when Nickelodeon aired the show, they showed three Bullwinkle segments a half-hour (which is how the last season is presented in the syndicated Bullwinkle Show package). I've read a number of forums that this was because Nickelodeon had less commercial time. This gets me wondering: If Nick had the extra time to show an extra Bullwinkle show segment, then they couldn't they have shown The Muppet Show episodes uncut?

    I also wonder how Nickelodeon aired episodes with four chapters. Did they just put the entire storyline in one half-hour, like how Moosylvania Saved is shown in syndication?

    And when it comes to the two seperate syndication packages, does anybody know if both syndication packages shared any of the same installments from the various supporting segments?
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't think they could have or would have. After all, they cut the episodes up something fierce and replaced segments left and right. I remember seeing U.K. segments that shouldn't have been in episodes. Must've been a rights thing. I definitely saw To Morrow in the wrong episode.

    Anyway for the Moose and squirrel... even though they're on hulu and DVD, there's no syndication access (we have to make room for the same 5 judges and Maury Povich)... I swear... there's an entire generation of kids that's not going to know the Flintstones from anything from vitamins and cereal commercials.

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