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Who owns Tale of The Bunny Picnic and Ghost of Fathner Hall?

Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by mupcollector1, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I'm just curious because both seem to have The Muppets in it, and even the show Moppatop Shop from the UK had a lot of The Muppets from The Muppet Show, Fraggle Rock, and the Jim Henson Hour. Since Disney owns The Muppets and The Jim Henson Company still has a few of Jim's work left like the fantasy films and Fraggle Rock, some of the Jim Henson Hour halfs, and Emmit Otter's Jugband Christmas (with Kermit edited out unfortunately). So I'm just wondering on this.
     
  2. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I just remembered Great Santa Claus Switch but I've heard the Ed Sullivan company owns that one. Love to see that come to DVD one of these days. :)
     
  3. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Active Member

    I vaguely remember having a beat up old VHS of The Bunny Picnic special, but I never recall watching it.
     
  4. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    From what I know, Tale of the Bunny Picnic is owned by Disney. Ghost of Faffner Hall is owned by JHC. And then to back this, I check Henson's website, which lists most of the productions that they own, and it mentions Faffner Hall but doesn't mention Bunny Picnic, which means that this is probably the case.
     
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I have Bunny Picnic taped from an HBO airing some time in the early 90s or so.
     
  6. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I would think it would be the other way around since Faffner had Muppet Show Muppets in the background like Mopatop but Bunny Bicnic only had Bean who would later be a main stream Muppet from 1989-1992 mostly. He was seen in It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie and I think Disney had made Disney world murchandise of him and Waldo for Muppet Vision 3D so I think they own the character. Only thing that's strange is how JHC got to release Dog City with Rowlf included but not so much so Kermit's appearances in Emmet Otter. By the way, was Kermit edited out of Christmas Toy as well?
     
  7. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Remember though, MCC had FR characters in it and Disney still owns it. It's the same type thing. On the other hand, Disney most likely owns that entire Bunny Picnic world instead of only Bean.
     
  8. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    But I thought Disney owned Bean because of Muppet Vision 3D.
     
  9. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Like I just said, Disney DOES own Bean, and as far as we know, all the characters from the Bunny Picnic, and the special itself.
     
  10. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I wonder why it wasn't released on DVD yet? I know with The Muppet Show and related specials I guess the problem is royalties to copyrighted songs and such and just waiting for clearance. But specials like Bunny Pincic, the songs are original and since Disney owns the special and Bean, there would be no need to contact Henson for permission unless they wanted to add Jim's original introduction that was from the HBO premiere of course. I was wondering, is there a list of what Disney owns and what Henson owns? Even Sam & Friends I'm curious about. I think The Ed
    Sullivan Company owns The Great Santa Claus Switch or who ever owns the Ed Sullivan shows now a days. Wilkins and Wontkins I have no idea, I've heard rumors of The Jim Henson Company and the John Wilkins Coffee Company fighting for rights but of course I'm not sure if it's true or not, though I remember hearing about it somewhere. What was that special in 1992, that was an Ed Sullivan special right? Mr. Wilson's Christmas Tree, the one with the mice?
    I'd have to see the lists again. I'm not sure if the list on Henson.com in terms of projects are complete or not since there has been so many specials and TV series. All I know is anything relating specifically to The Muppet Show Muppets and Tales of Muppet Land Specials, Disney owns.
     
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    DOES Disney own the rights to Bunny Picnic? If they do, I'll probably want to remove my postings of it from YouTube, considering I've already gotten in trouble with them before for posting Grover's appearance on Jimmy Kimmel.
     
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  12. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Anyone know what the Ed Suvillan Company is now called or who owns Great Santa Claus Switch and the Mr. Willobies Christmas Tree? If I knew, I'll try to contact them about releasing them on DVD. I know I tried Loinsgate for The Jim Henson Hour and they said they wrote down my request and will metnion it in their next meeting. Same thing Disney does when I contact them. Well at least I know the idea for those releases have been heard one way or another and I'm sure a lot of people here have tried contacting DVD departments as well.

    It would be nice if Tale of the Bunny Picnic was released on DVD, I really like the music on there, it's very Fraggle Rockish, plus the music is from the two guys that do the music for Fraggle Rock.
     
  13. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Huh? Grover is Sesame Workshop.Why
    would Disney want it removed? Unless you were joking about character ownership?
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Because Jimmy Kimmel's show is on ABC, which is owned by Disney.
     
  15. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Makes sence to me,seeing that the characters in Ghost of Faffner Hall arent built in the Muppet style.They are more rubber looking like Spittin Image.
     
  16. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Gottcha.Thanks.
    Seems to be a lot of cross overs, weaven by different ownerships.
     
  17. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    lol That funny you mention Spitting Image because I've always thought that the Creature Shop was inspired by Spitting Image around the time of Faffner Hall and Mother Goose Stories. There's rumor that Roger Law and Peter Fluck asked Jim Henson to be a part of Spitting Image and Jim turned down the offer because he didn't think charactured humans would be believable on screen or something like that. It's a story that I've read in an article so it's hard to say, though I do believe Jim was asked and he turned down the offer. All I know was Fluck and Law went to one of Jim's lectures around 1983 when them and the early crew were developing Spitting Image basically with no knowledge of puppetry and film making. But what's really interesting is people who worked on The Dark Crystal helped Fluck and Law figure out the eye mechanisms, and Louise Gold of The Muppet Show tranned the puppeteers and was the original Queen, Marty Robinson worked on the show from 1986 and 1990 and some specials in 1986 / 1987 and one of my all time favorite puppeteers got his start on Spits "Anthony Asbury". :)

    I don't mean to keep rambling on about Spitting Image but it's like my 3rd favorite TV show EVER, I'm a HUGE FAN! :)

    Anyway, I love that charactured puppet style. I've rarely seen Faffner Hall (Louise Gold worked on it too :) ). I've seen short clips of it and the press photos in Jim Henson The Works that I just love! If I may, I just want to post these for a second.
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    There's another one with a giant weight and a pair of scissors about to cut the rope attached to it, under the character with the mustache. I just wanted to point out that I love pictures like that. It's very comic strip slapstick. lol

    But anyway, back to my original reply. Faffner Hall like Mopatop Shop used puppets from The Muppet Show as background characters and since Disney owns The Muppets, I wasn't sure how things are in terms of the rights. Plus I noticed in the more recent Sesame Street episodes, there was a strange usage of Muppet Show Muppets like the White Rabbit from the Brook Shelds Alice and Wonderland episode and the Big Headed Boss from the 90s Muppet Meeting Films dressed as a viking. Little things like that tend to make me cringe because certain characters belong in certain Muppet universes. Although I can certainly say that I didn't mind the Muppet Show Chickens making a cameo in a Sesame segment where it was an animal choir conducted by this guest conductor and it was sung by Richard Hunt's character. I forgot how to spell and pernounce the first name of the character but he was a flamingo who sang opera. One of those sketches. Heck, I remember having a series of nightmares seeing The Muppet Show cast on Sesame Street and thinking "HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!" lol Before I really go off subject lol, Basicly put it I don't mind the Sesame Muppets guest staring in specials, movies and The Muppet Show. In fact I love it, but it just doesn't work the other way around. :)

    One more thing. I just discovered that Faffner Hall was released on iTunes UK by The Jim Henson Company so I guess JHC does own the rights to it, but I wonder if they had to ask permission from Disney due to the Muppet show Muppets. In my personal opinion, only if Jim's creations were all in the same company still, it would be so simple.
     
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  18. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    It is a long time since I have seen Ghost of Faffner Hall, but I dont seem to be able to recall any Muppet show characters in it?:confused:
     
  19. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    They are in the background. For example.


    http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Recycled_Muppets

    I probably already mentioned that I don't mind if theres recycled Muppets that were used from Fraggle Rock or another show that end up in the main Muppet universe. However I find it disturbing if it went the other way around.
     
  20. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    I dug into the archives of Tough Pigs and found this:
     

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