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Why people dislike modern Sesame Street

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by D'Snowth, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. Convincing John

    Convincing John Well-Known Member

    I remember the two episodes they aired with no EW whatsoever. Yeah, kids whined about it...

    I wonder if they could take a different approach to this. They could do an "Elmo's Backyard" type of thing...or if they wanted to drop the whole "15 minutes of Elmo" thing, then each season...or gradually over one season, they could snip tiny bits of time away from it gradually. 14 minutes of Elmo's World for a month, 13 minutes the next month, then so on. I know the episodes don't run like that, but you get the idea.

    It's like trying to quit smoking...only for kids. They can't quit Elmo's World cold turkey, so why not gradually shrink Elmo's World over a long period of time? If done gradually enough, the kids might not even notice it will eventually be gone. It's not like Elmo isn't all over the place in the rest of the show, so kids will always get their Elmo fix.

    Convincing John
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I've spoke my peace about EW for years, but it's time for them to look into an alternative. They can't keep up using the same segments over and over, and they appear to have stopped making them after Frogs.

    I find Elmo's Backyard a superior Elmo segment anyway (based solely on the preview that used to be up on SW's website) as he actually interacts with other characters TELLING him things. Shorter running time aside, the fact they're focused on a single subject, and Elmo interacts instead of hosts just make it much more enjoyable on every level.

    But even when EW premiered, they STILL were able to have broken up stories, lest we forget. The segment structure they were trying to move away from in recent seasons came back with the block format. Again, I like Murray hosting the word, letter, and number of the day, but using the same transitions over and over, and odd guessing games just bulk out time. Plus, I don't like how they close the show with the EXACT same Murray dialogue.
  3. Canadian Fan

    Canadian Fan Member

    Like I said, Elmo's World is just plain weird! Elmo is much better when he's interacting with other muppets/humans. I think when I was a kid, I would have been more upset if there wasn't any Bert & Ernie sketches featured; they were the comedians on the street. At least they have the claymation skits, they're kind of cool, but I'd give anything to see new sketches in their muppet form, but I realize Steve and Eric are busy.

    :(:p
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Elmo's World seems like another show entirely. Let's just say that. It doesn't fit, but then again, I doubt they were going for a sketch that was the same as the rest of the show entirely.

    I'm starting to wonder if Abby's School would benefit from a shorter run time. Would more episodes be easier and cheaper to make if they were 5 minutes long vs 8 minutes? Seems that oen's all about budget issues. Would a shorter cartoon cost less, is what I'm asking.
  5. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    What I want to know is why "The Electric Company" can follow SST's old format of story interspersed with inserts, and yet SST can't.
  6. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Oooo, excellent point!
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Older demographic free of meddling from child psychologists and their conflicting data. But then again, you can't blame them from trying 2 years ago... unfortunately, it seems like they tested poorly.

    They dig themselves into these holes, and when it comes time to change them back, they're not able to.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    MMmm... nah, Elmo's voice can be worse at times. And Abby is far from as annoying as Rodeo Rosie was (only character I'm glad is gone).
  9. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    I actually like it, for one.
  10. eday2010

    eday2010 New Member

    I don't like the new format either, and neither does my three-year-old (he likes the classic episodes and the ones from before the four segment block shows (started in Season 40, I believe). But with Sesame Street stating that viewership was up 60% for this last season wit hthe current format, I doubt they will change it. Plus keep in mind they are writing and producing the shows for children, not for us. What we want to see and what kids pay attention to and can keep focused on are two different things.
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Still, sometimes what kids pay attention to and what will actually help them are two different things. ;)
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The block format wouldn't even bug me if they at least filmed NEW Murray intros every year. I'm shocked viewership was up with all that reused footage.
  13. Gonzo's Hobbit

    Gonzo's Hobbit Well-Known Member

    I still enjoy watching Sesamea Street though I prefer it before it got revamped. One of the things I liked about the older version was that there was one basic storyline that spanned the entire segment which was then interspersed with smaller clips to back up the main point (the letter of the day, the number of the day, the theme, etc). It allowed for more story to the show I think. Now it seems broken up way too much and the story lines seem dumbed down more. Although I do appreciate the use of some of the older stuff like for the letters and numbers.
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    A lot has to do with the block format. And I don't mean the recent one. The 2002 one where it first surfaced and they tried to get away from.

    Watching older episodes, I really have to say I like what they did in the 80's up until season 32... they had street stories with one connected plot, rather than segmented, disconnected street bits. I think, story wise, the breaks in the episode (the letter and number "commercials" and other skits) gave a good flow to the stories, and made the time pass in a different, almost real time way. There was no ripple dissolve to a later part of the story you get with having a 10-15 minute story segment then the letter and number and other skits. I think that contributes to why the stories have an off feeling to them in recent years. Though, there were some pretty good ones. I just wonder what they would have been like split up. The Oscar and Telly go on a road trip episodes seems to feel like it was an edited together version of something that could have been on an earlier season. Think how great if it took Telly and Oscar the entire hour to wind up finding Roscoe was in the back seat the whole time, instead of 10 minutes.
  15. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I don't get why we still get Sesame Street videos that follow the "magazine" format, even when we have the lousy block format in place.
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering if that's a sort of compromise. Maybe a hint of testing if that format could work on the show itself. It's very obvious everyone wants to go back to the original format... they tried it several seasons ago, but it was an unfortunate failure due to lack of Elmo in those episodes. So maybe that's their way of using the older format in a different medium.
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I really don't understand everyone's hatred towards the block format, unless it's simply because everyone's in that sort of "purist" mindframe that they'll only accept the original commercial/magazine format.

    Caroll Spinney even said when they tried out the block format back for Season 33, their ratings shot up, and I think I can see the advantages of the block format being predictable, and that the little kids will know what to expect, while at the same time, still getting the educational lessons and whatnot out of them.
  18. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Predictable doesn't necessarily mean educational. Neither does good ratings. ;)
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm saying that the little kids are getting the educational content out of the show, whether it follows a more commercial/magazine format, or if it follows a predictable block format.
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    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

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