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Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Though it wasn't.
     
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  2. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member


    *double-take*
     
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  3. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    Nether KSY or this was a let-down. The only parts I didn't like were the parts that didn't have Muppets in them.
     
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  4. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Active Member

    I enjoyed Swamp Years, the thing about it though is that it's different from other Muppet productions in its writing and humor. It feels more like a 90s/early 2000s Nickelodeon cartoon, so I can see why it's a turn off to most Muppet fans.

    I'm going off topic though. This special, I've seen the majority of it a few months ago. It was OK. Some of the gags with the Muppets were fine enough, the auditions scene was my favorite part. They could have done better, but it did the job fair enough. Just the fact that the Muppets guest starred in a TV special like that is pretty remarkable to me.
     
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't see how, considering Jim Lewis and Joey Mazzarino wrote it.
     
  6. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    While I enjoyed the performances from Bill Barretta, Joey Mazzarino and Steve Whitmire and the Pet Store number was amazing, I still think the writing, the human stars and the rest of it was terrible. I mean Barney level terrible, but not quite Telletubbies terrible. I give it 1/2 stars out of 5 stars and that half star is for "Life as a Pet." Kermit's Swamp Years makes Disney's Planes look like high-art. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone over age four. :/
     
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  7. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    While I love and respect Jim and Joey, and their work, the fact that they wrote KSY doesn't necessarily make it good. Even great writers can create something not so great. KSY's basic story was great - Kermit's first adventure, awesome idea that one can do so much with. But overall, the finished product felt like it was missing some elements needed to make it really good. The writing, not-Muppet acting, etc. could have been stronger. Not terrible, but certainly towards the bottom of my "Favorite Muppet Movies" list. In short, good idea, weakish execution. Just my opinion. :)
     
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  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member


    I think if they had made KSY a little more edgy more adult instead of for an audience of children it would have been much better. I think when the Muppets try to be to kidish or to adult they fall. There has to be a balance and in KSY that balance was not there.
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I still say KSY has a "Film School 101" look and feel to it, but in a good way. It's not overly stylized, and it doesn't rely too heavily on a lot of special or visual effects to carry the movie... and of course, more of actual puppetry techniques were utilized, as opposed to the heavy use of greenscreen and chromakey that both Disney and SST seem to always rely on anymore these days (even though KSY does have it's fair share of occasional such use). In short, it almost seems like either a student film that took a lot of time, effort, dedication, people to make, or a Sundance-esque indie film that actually had a pretty decent budget. As a teen, watching it made me feel like the kind of movie I could make myself.

    Really, my only minor quibble with KSY is the inconsistency with the time period: it's clearly supposed to be the early 50s if it took place around the time Jim was in his teens, yet a lot of Croaker's slang and terminology, as well as George Washington High School are too modern and anachronistic to work.
     
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  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Um... KSY did have some edge to it, given the time it was made. Croaker especially seemed to use a little more "mature" language throughout the movie (but then again, it's Bill Barretta, what do you expect).
     
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  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well it has been a long time since I have seen it so I can't really recall.
     
  12. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    I expect more polish from the Muppets than KSY provided, no matter the budget.

    I'd say my main gripe, aside from the kiddified dialog, lack of Muppety humor and the rather pointless story, is that there really isn't a need to create Muppet origins beyond what TMM provides. I was willing to go with it, but they didn't really take much care with the story. I always thought Kermit would lead a much richer life in the swamp. I was bored.

    Ultimately, Muppet projects are supposed to speak to everybody and work on several levels. Much of KSY talks down to children in a condescending tone. That's an automatic fail from me. I really wanted to like it. I really wanted it to be a comeback. It just wasn't.

    Still, "Life as a Pet" was the wonderful thing that came out of it.
     
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  13. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    And as cute the reference to Jim is, it really makes no sense in the context of the Muppet world.
     
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  14. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    The thing with KSY to me, is that the Muppets have always been about taking a popular Genre and doing something fun, parodying that genre. But when the world was full of prequels -- a prime time for a prequel parody -- they made a straight up kids movie prequel.
     
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  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Going back to the special... am I the only one in the camp of "The Liberace episode was far worse?"

    Instead of having him interact with the Muppets, they just tossed most of the show to him. Which is a shame, since he was pretty good in the 60's Batman show. There's nothing wrong with a celebrity doing their schtick on TMS... just let enough room for the actual stars of their own show to do theirs.

    Worst case scenario, It was a Lady Gaga special with Muppets in it. The Liberace episode is still someone hijacking the show to be their own and shoving everything that made The Muppet Show The Muppet Show to the side. I'd say he's a candidate for worst guess star.

    As for KSY... I can't rightly comment on it, as I haven't seen it (and don't really want to). But the whole thing was an unsold TV show that was made into a DTV.n So there's a real reason why it was prechoolish. The problem is, it didn't need to be.
     
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    What is this whole KSY TV show you keep talking about? This is news to me, I've never heard anything about that before, I'm pretty sure it's always been a made-for-TV movie (because "DTV" are those old MTV-inspired Disney compilation specials from the 80s and 90s).
     
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The wiki is your friend

    Essentially the idea came out of an unrealized project called "Frog School" which sounds like it's essentially the same thing (or at least shares a LOT of similar threads) only as a TV series.

    Something tells me they said "heck with it" and made a movie instead.
     
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  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    I'm not really keen on that idea, but it sounds better than what KSY turned out to be.

    I still think it's time for a new Muppet Show. The best place for it would be at 7:00 or 7:30 on Sunday nights that's currently taken up by America's Funniest Home Videos. Seriously, everybody has YouTube. Does that show need an entire hour? They could also shift it around to Friday night in order to give the Muppets a prime Sunday night spot. That's the family hour. It's the perfect lead-in to ABC's prime time block of Once Upon a Time. Or maybe they could just make the switch for the summertime months. Either way that's what I would do. I think the Muppets could fit perfectly with auds in that time period.
     
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  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Other than the fact I still think the Muppets cannot work on a major broadcast network, AFV is never going to die because it's so cheap to produce. And I'm sure someone will bellyache if it did go away, begging it to come back. We do indeed have Youtube and vine. AFV has never been more culturally irrelevant, and it's hour long block sits like a moss and mold encrusted cinderblock on the network's schedule. Still, I don't see the Muppets on that time slot. That's probably better suited for last week's rerun of Once Upon a Time.
     
  20. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    It's a perfect timeslot, if they'd be able to poach it.
     


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