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Your Thoughts: Sesame Street 20 and Still Counting DVD

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Phillip, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    "Sesame Street: 20 Years and Still Counting" will arrive on DVD next Tuesday July 13. Here's our review of this anticipated DVD. Check it out and let us know what you think.

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  2. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    This is truly a gold nugget for any Sesame Muppet Henson fan! From the intro By Jim and Kermit to the end credits. I love this DVD so much, it really touched my heart!
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It's understandable that this release doesn't include any extras (it's probably enough that Lionsgate cleared the rights for the clips that appear in the special, though some bonus segments from the first 20 years would have been welcome), but a photo gallery would have been nice. Muppet Wiki has two images that don't represent any scenes that appear in the special. I don't think they recorded scenes that didn't appear in the specials (if they did then shame on them for not including deleted scenes), but the wiki has images of Kermit interviewing Elmo on a live street and one of Bill Cosby and The Count. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were behind-the-scenes photos taken (Sesame Street Unpaved has a photo of several puppeteers from the Placido Domingo scene, though it's hard to see Domingo or Flamingo in that image).
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Considering Lionsgates stance on Youtube, I can't begrudge them for not trying to pull strings and get some SS clips or any bonus features like that on there. In fact, i'm almost glad they didn't. :wisdom:

    But what exactly could they do? Any deleted scenes would have been permanently deleted. The only reasons that new DVD's are chock full of that stuff is because they make plans for the DVD's well in advance, and they manage to keep EVERYTHING they have and fit what they can on DVD. DVD's of older movies or shows with bloopers only have those bloopers because someone had them on VHS. UHF had a deleted scenes featurette with Weird Al saying something to the extent of "I'm really doing you a favor by not showing these... but I know you. If I didn't show any of this, you'd whine about it." I think that's totally true at points. That said, only reason he even had those were because he found stuff in his basement in a box.

    The only other thing they COULD have done was to do a new interviews feature... but since the other Lionsgate Henson DVD's don't have that either, I doubt they'd do it here.

    That said, I hope someone out there takes the hint and releases Stars and Streets Forever as well.
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Me, too! My copy is missing the ending. Hardly any of it is on YouTube (just one clip montage and a few bloopers). Anybody know whether this is owned by Sesame Workshop or some other company (the best way tod etermien would be by watching the credits)?
  6. CherryPizza

    CherryPizza Active Member

    I hear great things about this special, and my inner Sesame historian knows it will be important to see...

    But the fact that it's hosted by one of the most obnoxious, self-indulgent performers in TV history makes it hard for me to rush to see it.
  7. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Very nice review Phillip! I'm glad that the special has been kept in tact. That's weird you can hear the faint sounds of the original broadcast's commercials in there. Funny because I remember the Clorox ad since I still have my copy on tape from when it first aired lol I got an email that Amazon shipped my copy, so I look forward to watching it again on a nice new clean copy....
  8. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think that this was such a great gift to Jim's friends. It was in memory of Joe Reposo, It was a birthday gift for the show that help launch his carerer, and he gave his friend Richard Hunt who was getting sick, a gift by giving him the chance to sing with one of his heroes. I love this DVD, and I also love the interaction with Kermit and Grover. That was some real classic Jim and Frank stuff right there, and it is sad we can't get more of that kind of things.
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I got the DVD and I'm watching it right now. It's strange that they apparently had to edit out commercial breaks (I would have thought the master tapes wouldn't have them... Then again, if all they had was broadcast copies, maybe that's why the credits were ommitted, to avoid the announcer who adverrtised other programming on NBC... But if it was taken from the original broadcast, then they sure did a good job restoring it).

    One thing I find interesting is that the front and back of the DVD say "Originally broadcast in 1989". I never noticed it in the online pictures of the cover.
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    It's intersting, this special was removed from YouTube, and I've read that the "Goodbye, Mr. Hooper" clip was removed, but it seems other clips that appear in this special are on YouTube. Thankfully none of the clips uploaded by Sesame Workshop have been removed (Rubber Duckie, King of 8, Spring is Here, The Word is No, Pinball Animation #7), but I have also recently seen some of the clips that appear in this special while browsing youtube, uploaded by fans instead of SW. Stuff like Air and Squeal of Fortune.

    Still, if Lionsgate did try to get permission for bonus clips, I would want it to have been stuff that can be found at sesamestreet.org (so even if they were removed on YouTube, we could still watch them online elsewhere). And I'm thinking maybe characters and recurring segments left out of the special would have been best: A Baker film, a Jazz segment, a Mad Painter film, a Typewriter cartoon, a Teeny Little Super Guy film, and segments with Guy Smiley, Sam the Robot, Sherlock Hemlock, Super Grover, Twiddlebugs, and other "left out" characters.


    Well The Jim Henson Company did have all those Emmet Otter's Jug-Band Christmas bloopers to include on DVD, plus scenes cut from the original broadcast that made it to later releases. And the funeral scene from The Dark Crystal. Of course this does make me wonder if Sesame Workshop saved all the unaired segments produced for the show (I've read SW has copies of every broadcast episode). I know some segments were held over for later seasons.
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One thing that's interestign about the end: In one of the front rows of characters in that final shot, we see, clockwise, Ruby, Prairie Dawn, Ernie, Kermit, Bert, and Grover. I would think Frank Oz performed both Bert and Grover in that shot, and Jim Henson performed Ernie and Kermit. But there's a big gap between Ernie and Kermit... I wonder hopw far Henson could have stretched his arms to perform. And it would have made more sense for Jim to have his characters on opposite arms so that Ernie and Bert would be standing next to each other (either that, or have Frank Oz be on the opposite side of Jim). Of course I also noticed a character between Forgetful Jones and Placido Flamingo, and I think it's obvious Richard Hunt wasn't performing the two.

    Before the Big Bird montage we get a scene with Bill Cosby visiting Big Bird, then the montage, then a fade to black and commercials, then a few more scenes, and then back to Bill's visit with Big Bird. I wonder if that second scene with the two might have been intended to follow the montage, especially sicne we get a few Bill Cosby scenes between those scenes.

    It's a shame that no first season clips were included. I know that Sesame Workshop seems to think that version of Rubber Duckie is from the first season (I wonder if they thought that way back then). But the three clips with Muppets interacting with kids have on-screen dates listed, and the John-John clip has "1974" listed, even though all later sources list that clip as being from 1972.

    And I've always noticed that this special seems to avoid using clips with past cast members. The "Goodbye, Mr. Hooper" clip is convieniently edited to remove scenes with Olivia (with the exception of the group hug at the end, though she can hardly be seen there). And I think Petey appears in a clip during the Big Bird montage, but I think that's it. And with the exception of the Big Bird montage, all of the clips with the adults or taking place on the street are from the 1980s.
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I just noticed that Zoe appears on the back of the box, even though she wasn't around yet. The back also includes an image of Super Grover, even thoguh Super Grover does not appear at all in this.
  13. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    I just finished watching the DVD.

    This is the first time I've seen "20 Years and still Counting" and I loved it! :insatiable:

    I'm glad they kept the introduction with Jim and Kermit! :)

    It was also nice seeing Kermit see the kids he talked about Next To with in 1973 as grown ups.
  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder how many people purchasing this will be confused by the bit of music that starts just after "What a Bird!" ends. In the original broadcast after the montage it fades to black and the title is shown right before the commercial, with the music playing. I sort of wish they'd left that in... It's really just a shot of the title from the beginning, but the fact that the music started just before fading to black should have justified it being kept in.
  15. Stulz

    Stulz Member

    Is anyone else's DVD missing the end credits?
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    That has been mentioned a few times. It was mentioned in the review.
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I noticed that in the "keeping it current" montage that the first few clips have scene transitions between them, but by the end of the montage the clips just cut to each other. Almost as if they chose halfway through to stop with the transitions (though the final clip does transition to the next scene).

    And speaking of that clip montage, tough pigs has an article about this DVD, "20 Things I Learned from Sesame Street: 20 and Still Counting", and one of those on the list is that "Sesame Street doesn't keep up with the times", stating that most of the parodies shown weren't "current". It points out that Masterpeice Theater began in 1971 and Squeal of Fortune also began int he 1970s.... But those shows were on the air when those parodies were made, and they were still on the air when the special was made (I'm not sure if Miami Vice still was).
  18. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

  19. Sesame Skates

    Sesame Skates Member

    I have the original version of this special taped on VHS, but it is in poor quality so I was happy to see a fresh copy on DVD! I didn't hear any of the ads from the commercial breaks mentioned in previous posts, and the missing end credits really didn't bother me at all.

    It really tugged at my heartstrings to the wonderfully high-quality programming that Sesame Street was in its first 20 years on the air--until our favorite friends died and Elmo pretty much took over.
  20. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    The generic music that plays in the main menu sounds familiar to me. I feel like I've heard it on Sesame Street, but I'm not too sure.

    I noticed on the packaging that it says "certain characters and elements are copyright and trademark of The Jim Henson Company". But who does Henson own that appears in this special? I doubt they'd own the people who grew up on the show. I guess it could be referring to those characters who appear in The Jim Henson Company logo that appears before the main menu starts (I think The Jim Henson Foundation owns Jim Henson's likeness).

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