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a great Playset/Figure Set idea?

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by Bulldawg, Dec 31, 2002.

  1. MrTheFrog

    MrTheFrog Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't count on a Bear on Patrol playset. It just wouldn't sell. In fact, it's my opinion that it would sell less than a Koosebane playset (which has already been scrapped). My votes for the 2004 playsets would be Backstage with Naked Sam and Vets Hospital with Nurse Janice and 2 sets of scrubs to put on Piggy and Rowlf. Or make Nurse Piggy and Dr. Bob Convention 2-pack exclusive in 2004 (similar to the Bunsen & Beaker tuxed versions).
  2. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Interesting different opinions. Well, it really just depends on how spectacular they make a Bear on Patrol set. I certainly wouldn't count it out just yet. Could we ever have imagined that everyone would go nuts over a repaint of Dr. Teeth or a Kermit with a red tie? The BOP set with just a straight interpretation would be dull, but Palisades could up the ante with their creativity and cool touches. I was actually concerned about the Chef set after the Muppet Labs results. It really is anyone's guess. But we know that Palisades is invested in Patrol Fozzie and he will come out.
  3. Crazy Harry

    Crazy Harry Well-Known Member

  4. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Make that a double no Crazy Harry;-)

    We wouldn't want them to be an exclusive because they would be harder to get for some people, or some people would not know about them. then Janice would be left alone in the playset as part of the main line, so you really can't split that up.

    there are all diffrent opition's here, we really don't know what would and would not sell, we know what we will buy though. I mean we all thought Muppet Labs with Beaker would sell like hot cakes, i can see why Animal is selling faster though, he really is more popular with the public, and the stage setting is out of this world.

    I think bear on patrol would be a cool set, with a cage to lock figures in, wanted posters of EM band members or banana nosed men, it coulds come with an octopus as it has been mentioned before. i think Fozzie should be the figure to come with this set and Link be carded if/and when it would come out.

    Fozzie will come with all kinds of cop stuff too, hand cuffs, night stick, maybe walky talky,box of dough nuts, i would doubt a gun though, a gun doesn't even fit in with fozzie or link anyways.Link could come with an ink stamper. fastest stamper in the west...or something like that.

    playsets will be spread out but that doesn't mean BOP, VH Backstage won't come out.

    I'm kinda doubting on any automobles, the EM bus, It would really have to be big if you wanted Fozzie to fit inside plus the sitting iusse's, still it doesn't mean it won't come out, i really would love to have it!
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    If those characters were exclusives it would upset many people.
  6. GWGumby

    GWGumby Well-Known Member

    Just curious, but does anyone have good evidence of this? I mean, I haven't seen many Animal playsets on the shelves, but still see tons of Muppet Labs. I have no idea whether to attribute it to the fact that the Labs isn't selling well so they won't put out the Stage until there's more shelf room, or the Stage still isn't readily available in most stores, or it's really selling quite well so you don't see it as much.
  7. Stryder Wolfe

    Stryder Wolfe Well-Known Member

    Vet's hospital would be my number 2 choiuce for a playset, after the backstage area. BOP, I also BARELY (bear-ly? wocka wocka!) remember...I'd liek a figure maybe of BOP fozzie, sometime down the line, but would prefer VH immensly, and am not hugely excited about a playset....
  8. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    Ok, first, exclusive nurse piggy and Doctor Bob!?!?!?!?! NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! That would kill me!

    Second, Muppet labs is a major dissappointment. No clock, way too dark, and not much to actually play with. Two switches and a big tub thing. The table that you strap Beaker to is cool except the wires snapped as soon as I touched them! The Electric Mayhem playset is soo much better. It's bright, colorful, is great for music fans and everyone loves animal. I think if playsets came with really well known characters like Animal, Kermit, Fozzie, etc. then the playsets would sell out more. Beaker is known but not nearly as known as Kermit or Animal. I think the Muppet labs playset is too dark, too small, and just not fancy enough. The beaker fiure is great so I'm still glad I got it but the playset is missing a muppety feel.

    Ok, third, BOP isn't that well known but it is very good. I think when it comes to playsets you have to think about what would sell weither you were a muppet fan or not. I think the animal playset sells because it's cool and because it's cool even if you weren't a muppet fan. The kitchen could sell well because a lot of people love to cook and even kids would like to play kitchen or something like that. A Pigs In Space set would sell because it's space and a well known sketch. Kids love space stuff but should it come with Piggy? I dunno, link may have been better just because boys won't want to buy a girl pig playset. When it comes to this playset I think the package should focus on the group other than just the pack in figure. VH would probably sell too because kids like to play doctor. I think it should come with a doctor bob because a nurese just ca't run a hospital :D ok, so that was a really long paragraph, but I'm glad you made it to the end. Have a cookie. :D
  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I doubt there'll be a 2005 schedule, or much of it. If my maths is right the license runs out in the first quarter - it's unlikely Palisades will renew the license (even though they probably wouldn't admit it now) because they've already made the more well known figures and playsets and had trouble selling them, so doesn't really make sense to pay up again for the rights. I think they'll have done extrememly well to make it last until then if they can manage it.

    As for evidence of the Mayhem stage selling - i don't think anything has been said officially. It's right that they are seen less on the shelves, but obviously stores can order units on a case by case basis and would have gone by the Lab sales figures so it's difficult to tell whether its because they're popular or just scarce.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I believe they will work through the licensed years - in one form or another - no matter what. There are ways to get the most out of it, but after paying a hefty fee, they will want to use the license. I'm still miffed that JHC hasn't help push the busts (which don't seem to be moving that well either) or the figures on talk show appearances. Heck, the NBC special had so much network product placement, why didn't the Muppets get something in? Maybe not, but do you see what I mean? There are opportunities to make their licensors happy, but they take none of them. One might say that the companies should pay extra for such coverage, but the honest truth is that licensors are not going to be clamoring over a property that is in a slump. This year will be the true test. I hope they do more.
  11. WiGgY

    WiGgY Well-Known Member

    I would at least like to see a comercial or two. These are great toys but there are no ads! Even the toys r us web site buries the figures at the end of lists and they aren't even listed together. A little advertising along with some new muppet projects would certainly help things out.
  12. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member


    I agree totally - i guess a big flaw in JHC's licensing plan was that in the current scheme of things the licensee's they attracted wouldn't be able to afford promotion. I see massive potential in the Muppet action figure line and so many opportunities missed - i think in the right conditions and with better distribution and promotion, sales and recognition could be at least 50% better - i know Palisades are doing everything they can but i do agree they could have been given better support.

    There's either two solutions - as you say, Henson could do it as a loss leader just to increase visibilty of the Muppets and also encourage licensee's to continue to work with them or new ones to come aboard. The other is 'cross promotion' - if the individual licensee's can't afford to pay for promotion then they could team up and have the Muppets do an appearance promoting all the merchandise range.

    I guess either would work well - although Ken mentioned that he'd tried contacting the other licensee's and they weren't interested for some reason. I'm sure if Henson were to find a way to help the smaller guys out a bit and keep their lines strong it would benefit them when it comes to attracting new licensee's and also the licenses being renewed.

    It's a real shame to see great products from people like Palisades and Sideshow not selling so well, especially as there's not much they can do about it. Henson have done really well out promoting the anniversary last year but the interest in nostalgia IMHO is a limited one. People will make a $0-$10 impulse Muppet purchase because it's a cool thing from their past but it just doesn't stretch to $20+ playsets. Thats why i've always thought these PVC's should be loose boxed and just sold individually in card shops for $1.99 or something - people are so much more likely just to grab something small and cheap they think looks funky than go buy a set for $20. I guess you wouldn't get the obscure characters that way though but sales might be way better. I just think it's all about small impulse purchases right now and by the looks of it the action figures are benefitting from all that but the playsets and Mega's obviously aren't. Maybe once the Muppets have this weekly Fox show exposure and build on what was started this year they might develop more of a dedicated fanbase and things could change - just gotta continue to get the Muppets out there i guess !
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Hella Long Post

    With the limited run, I don't see the price point being the issue. People are just not noticing the product. I feel that it's the same way people didn't respond to Muppets Tonight. 95% of the people I have asked about the show never realized it was on. Muppet Show product has always been steeper than other characters.

    We have spoken at length about the PVCs. Palisades doesn't want to do the same old junk that has been done in the past. They want obscure characters and other stuff. I agree that a 6 pack is a bit to swallow, but single packs aren't the key to pushing more product. Otherwise we would only get multiple versions of the main 5 characters. I think a 3 pack would have been best. It would still be expensive, but they could maybe slip a cost effective cardboard cutout backdrop on the packaging and stuff like that.

    The playsets are a tough idea. I admit that I initially felt that one set per series would be too much. Two a year seems like a better idea. And YES, people - a key figure like Beaker or Animal *must* come with it to seal the deal. Separate carding of the figures would decrease set sales - no matter how "boffo" they happen to be. I honestly don't think Palisades should have announced an exclusive carded Chef until the Kitchen was released. It's really an either-or proposition, unfortunately. And I like seeing the sets. The characters really push the sets.

    Muppet Labs Rant: Yes, Beaker should have definitely come with the Lab. I understand Lab concerns. I kept that in mind when making the MC Help menu. The real issue is that the current Lab design should have included a clock and some more classic touches. Not that I would change it oh, so much. Add a reel-to-reel super computer to stick Beaker into instead of the chamber. Put some knobs and levers on it too. That would leave room for a clock on the wall. And separating the desk/trunk from the floor and the equipment from the desk would have been a good idea that would have probably prevented the breakage issues they were trying to avoid. It was a good first playset effort.

    It really is about looking at these things without fan glasses and keep in mind the average consumer *and* corporate costs and interests. The EM set is spectacular and the Kitchen set looks fun too. I think the Kitchen might be a big seller because it has the fan and kid appeal.

    You Brits do get a raw deal. It's UK distributors that are messing with you. But if the US online market opened up to Brits it would cut into your economy. Wish people didn't have the need to be so greedy. Thought the Republicans were running our country. LOL!

    Yeah, I heard Ken talk about trying to get together with other licensors. The trouble is, many of them do not share the same quality or concerns. Henson really needs to give it a push. They hammered the special away - and still haven't changed their front-page ad. Kermit's talk show appearance could have had less talk of porn and more of showing figures, busts and panties. That would have been a lot more entertaining. It just seems so disorganized. The Muppets are actually the lucky ones to have, not just good, but spectacular figures and bust IMHO. I haven't seen any Looney Tunes characters with such cool items - and the WB stores used to have a lot of stuff. Disney's stuff is really sub-standard in comparison to these items. The whole thing really irritates me, to be honest.
  14. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Yeah i hope this line doesn't tank as we all hope it doesn't that's why i'm in this just get it out! just get the important and cool stuff out mode. But Ken has said that he has seen too many cool line's end sooner then their time that way.

    I'm not sure but i know that theres some sort of contract untill 2005, does that mean that the line can't be lost untill then? So i would hope reg Rowlf, Reg Sam, robin, sweetums, Bean Bunny, Bobo, Dr Phil, and a few lesser known muppets like Pops, Uncle Deady, Emily bear (fozzie's mom) and nigle come out before then. all the other main and part of the real gang muppets are already out or planed in a line up. this also goes for a BOP or VH ideas as well.

    i don't want a line filled with MCC figures, the PCV's are fine for them, i don't think it should be part of the action figure line though. i mean what would we do with a bunsen and beaker MCC action figure as well as a MTI action figure? they didn't have the bigges of roles in MCC so PCV is the only way i would like to see them that way unless the muppet line goes on for years and years that we could get every version possable, and then died broke;-)
    yeah and it would be a waste to make fozzie from both MCC and MTI as an action fig, keep MCC as PCV and MTI action figure only. TMM, TGMC, MFS and the TMTM could be mixed in the PCV and action fig line though.

  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Only if the cost of making the figures exceeds the profits will the line be scrapped, but even after that there is an online market for fewer figures in smaller runs so I wouldn't worry. Just promote the line to your friends. I give them as gifts to friends who like specific characters. Palisades has a definite deal to make action figures until 2005. There's not much that could stop it unless someone buys the contract from them or absolutely nobody buys the figures.
  16. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Oh Jamie, they know, all my freinds know up to their ears of everything! they know that vacation fozzie had two diffrent colored shirts, they know Janice is in series 5,and they know that the WW Dr. Teeth repaint is hard to get;-) I don"t shut up about these things sometimes! LOL!

    i got my friend to buy a muppet labs and a honeydew fig, my friend loves beaker and he wanted the lab and i told him bunsen came seprate and that the lab would be kinda useless with out him...so he bought him too...he did break the glasses and he isn't really careful with the lab or where he places it, i think the robot rabbit is lost and needs a search party to find him in his room. not even going to think of what happend to the gorilla detector. but he dose think it's sweet and he finds that his busnen figure with a large bandade over his head is an answer. i told him that it was a VERY muppety way to fix that problem!LOL!

    I also know someone who is buying the animal stage, he wanted to get it for his younger (but adult aged) brother for chirstmas but it didn't come out till after christmas were i live. so i think he still going to buy it thought, he thought that the whole line was so cool when i showed him the toyfair mag with animal on the cover last summer.

    I bought my cousins figs for their birthdays too! And i"m going to get certain figures my cosins like when they come out. i"m waitting on rizzo for one cousin and sam for another, SAM! can you belive that? a 13 year old girl likes sam the best,and she said she wouldn't mind the MTI Sam.

    i'm also going to ge a janice fig for one of my best friends, she can't wait for it and she happy it's not coimng with the bus because she wouldn't know what to do with the bus! she said i could keep the bus if/and when it "was" going to come out.

    My younger borther has even bought a few, he thinks they are so cool too but he doesn't open his. he wants to make money off them someday;-)
  17. Stryder Wolfe

    Stryder Wolfe Well-Known Member

    intersting about the 2005 first quarter thing...that leaves a lot of room...I'm not counting on seeing anything that's not been announced already or at least sculpted....I am hoping for as much as possible, but we'll have to see how it goes..I do think series 2 is selling better than series 1, and hope that this continues...
  18. Electric Mayhem

    Electric Mayhem Well-Known Member

    Once we get the Swedish Chef kitchen, Swinetrek set, stage set, backstage set & Veterinarian's Hospital, I think all the ideas for successful sets from the TV show will have been exhausted. Bear on Patrol may work, but only if it came with all monsters too.

    I think it's time to start looking to the movies for inspiration (Happiness Hotel, EM bus, etc..).

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