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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Nov 3, 2011.
Of COURSE, the film will be a runaway success!
Everytime i see it, i successfully makes me run away!
So do I.
I was never a Jason Segal fan before, but I am now
i like Jason Segal, ive always found his work Hilarious even if it is a bit of the Adult Nature, i dont think he should be typecast or hated for it, forgetting sarah marshall is one of the few romantic comedies i really really like cause it touches on some real moments...I love you man is the way i hang out with friends and also speaks trth of how hard it is to meet new people past a certain age...people have many different sides to them many different likes and whatnot...its human nature. he is a Muppet fan, he used his stardom to walk in and say hey i want to do this, so it took some convincing but he did it, then he used that stardom to get cameos of good celebs not random stars who just happen to pick up the phone, not saying thats how all past guest stars where but look at it this way some over lapped between project playing different people
i am just glad to finally see a muppet flick on the big screen ... and from the few clips that i've seen & that one song that i've heard , i am really anticipating for the 8th Dec to arrive ... May The Muppets rise to that phenomenal fame once again as before = Amen =D
I'm with you...to me the Muppets never went away. Only from 1991-1994 did I not follow the Muppets hardly at all. But there's always been new Muppet content in various forms. I guess to most outsiders the Muppets are nostalgic act.
Im glad Bobo is in it, not many other post JH characters seem to have speaking roles. I LOVE the muppets.com and youtube exclusive videos from 2008-2010, people who say the Muppets have sucked in the last two decades need to see those.
The UK/Euro release is probably just some typical gameplan redtape or something.
But yeah while Im sad Pepe seems mostly MIA, Rowlf is back in a prominent role. Many people are not aware that Rowlf was the #1 main Muppet for almost two decades next to Kermit
It is 100% utter BULL that there is no Muppet stuff in stores. Sure, there's the Beaker ornament at hallmark, the FAO puppets at TRU and some misc shirts at some places. But thats it. The film is in about two weeks, and nothing. Tumbleweeds. People who say "be grateful for what we got" don't seem to get it.
Yeah, why the heck do all these kids and family films deserve all this garbage merch that'll end up being shipped back to the manufacturer, but the freaking Muppets with a huge film get squat? Tho to be fair, when I was at the huge Disney store near me, not a single person or kid seemed interested in the little Muppet section. Disney needs to have a ton of merch, front and center when you walk in. They keep treating the Muppets like some cautious unsure thing or like they're embarrassed by them. To me there's no reasonable reason why the Muppets aren't getting much merch, but Rio/Alvin/Smurfs/Happy Feat/G Force/etc got a ton.
Remember G Force? Think anyone in 10 years will remember it? That got a TONNNN of merch, and it was a brand new property. So people trying to say "Disney is just being cautious" don't get it. The whole situation is pretty pathetic.
Also, good to see you look fondly upon JHH, or more specifiically "Muppet Telelvision"
In 2002 there was strong rumors a new muppet show with the grand ornate vaudeville theater was coming, but it wasn't to be. I think the only scenario that'll make people happy is a return to the big theater look, even tho what would suit audiences more would be something more slick and modern. But theres no guarantee a new show would do well at all. I mean it'd have to have some **** good slick writing to appeal to today's ADHD generation
UGH! They were trying DESPERATELY to clear those stupid things out. The only defense I see is that they thought kids would want to play with action movie type characters. But they were wrong. On the one hand I'm glad they have stuff at all. It's definitely more than the Up Merchandise or ENG stuff we got, and Up was a huge hit. But it's not nearly as much as a more toyetic Pixar film would get. Not even Cars/Toy Story level. I mean Bug's Life/ Monsters Inc level. I can kinda see kids not wanting to play with old man dolls, but other than a couple plush at Disney, the Up stuff was expensive collectibles like limited edition Kubricks and statues.
Still, it took the second Alvin movie to get any merchandise other than a soundtrack. But granted, they kinda didn't realize it would be a successful venture.
Some of the stuff does wait for the movie's release, some of it waits until the DVD, some of it waits until a year later. If we don't ever get a PVC, I'll be ticked. But I never thought to see Pepe at all. I was expecting maybe Piggy Kermit and Animal... maybe Gonzo and or Fozzie. Didn't expect Walter at all since they never have movie characters outside maybe that Dairy Queen KSY promotion and an international PVC set for MTI. My problem is, they should have had a Kermit and an Animal a LONG time before the film anyway. Too bad the Pooka-a-looz never caught on. The Muppet ones did pretty good.
Exactly what I've been saying for a while now. There's no where to put it on broadcast and Disney HAS to keep milking certain demographics with their channels. Seriosuly, NBC is bringing Fear Factor back. FEAR FACTOR! How are the Muppets going to fit into a market that keeps forcing reality shows that should have gone with the first Bush term on the public. No one even likes reality shows anymore, they just watch them because they feel they have to. I really think a Muppet program would flourish on the Disney channel. I mean, they didn't want Phineas and Ferb at first, but now it's more successful than all their tweencoms combined. And people over the age of 12 actually like it.
I'm looking at the delicious Muppety donut while others still choose to look at the hole.
It is unfair to compare other Disney merchandise with Muppets merchandise. They're entirely different properties with different markets and films like G-Force don't have a history or the hurdle of being pre-licensed to any companies. For example, if the Muppets are already licensed to a company like Quartz or Fossil for the next couple of years then those companies must agree to put out Muppet watches or Disney has to buy-out their contract and find another interested party. Some license holders are apprehensive because the brand has been watered-down from what it once was. That kind of trust needs to be earned back with box office numbers. Everyone is being cautious and it only takes a level head to understand why. Even Disney has had to tighten its belt this year. You notice my decrease in posts here? I work multiple jobs now. It's hard all-around. There's some perfectly good merch I've had to take a pass on because of budget constraints...and you can't tell a guy whose avatar is a Kermit hoodie that he's not an uber fan too! Merchandise is about maximization of profit while clearing unit sales. No lingering Series One Palisades Piggys.
It's a slower journey to getting more Muppets at the marketplace and again - we have lots of stuff coming out (and likely more on the way). We already have plush, puppets, build your own Muppet kits, books, stickers, cut-out Muppet theater, shirts, CDs and lots of other stuff! The Muppets are at a risk of being over-saturated in the media at this point. I remember how some complained about when the marketing would begin and how aggressive it will be. Cabs, benches, buses, billboards, AMC "don't talk in the movies" ads, viral internet ads, television ads, endless TV appearances and interviews, magazine layouts. What more does a fan need? EVERYONE knows this movie is coming out. We all need to take a breath and enjoy the Muppety goodness. Nobody's landed until Novemver 23rd. I'm not second-guessing any of this until it's out.
Here's just the ad that's across the street from me and I live in a slum! Keep in mind this bus also has a huge ad with Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo, Animal, Pepe and...Beaker! The Muppets are completely saturated in SF's upscale Castro area! Now I have my ideas of the kind of campaign I'd launch, the logo they should use and the lack-luster Photoshop skills. I am an artist so that's just gonna happen, but this is really amazing!! I have no real criticism because all of this, from merchandise to media exposure, is reaching the people and hitting just the right note.
Oh yes those ads are all around my area too.
Yeah, yeah. All well and good, but what i wanna know is -
Where Are The Muppet Doughnuts?!!
Oh, sometimes it IS that simple. Some people are just impossible to please.
Sometimes its not about having been burned. sometimes its about the person's expectations being unreasonable. Facts are facts.
This is the Internet for God's sake, anyone with a brain knows that what people tend to do most online, is complain and be negative.
I do not appreciate that statement.
All signs point to this being a good movie.
Why? WHY is it so horrible to be cautiously optimistic? That is all Duke and I are doing, Why is it necessary to make fun of us?
You are just jumping to conclusions, there is no fact to that at all.
Its not just "The Muppets" or Disney.
ALL American made movies take longer to hit theaters abroad. And vise-versa.
What can I say? It stinks, but that's how it is.
And see guys? Its just like I said before, some fans are impossible to please, when everyone has their own ideas for what they want, you can NEVER please everybody.
Actually i thought that was the thing they do SECOND most often...
I wish there was a flickr or page that documented all photos of Muppet billboard, cab and bus signs
Ill be in san francisco this weekend, cant wait to see all the ads. I knew the media marketing saturation would come, didnt realize theyd wait til right before the film
I understand and respect that Frogboy has been more in the trenches and an insider to the toy biz more than anyone on here. At the same time, it's bitter sweet to have every aspect of the 'dream resurgence' we waited desperately for all these years on here...yet have that one aspect(merchandise) be MIA. Terminator Salvation, a film you didnt have to be psychic to know the merchandise for would fail miserably, saturated every corner of every store.
BUT, this may be a trial balloon as word merch wise for now...but word has it a tidal wave of muppet merch is coming.
I'll say this. Maybe it's just in my market or something, but I WISH I could see The Muppets every single commercial break in the middle of every show instead of being mentally assaulted by Adam Sandler in drag, my favorite comedian in a HIDEOUS movie that's ugly all over, a glorified Prep and Landing knock off, and even Martin Scorsesse's pretentious fake British looking kid's film. I see like one add every so often... it's time to ramp this this heck up. I hope by the week of the release it gets to Puss in Boots proportions and you see them 2 and 3 times a commercial break. Not a show, but a commercial break.
I've said it a million times, a LOT is riding on the success of this film. More Muppet movies, more DVD releases, more merchandise, the prospects of ever having a TV show again (though I still doubt that). And the competition is decidedly weak, pathetic, loud, obnoxious and lower than the lowest common denominator (though Hugo WILL be the next Waterhorse)... I want to be confident that the Muppets will crush ugly CGI penguins with their own (they did penguins first, BOOOYYYY!). But I fear for the general public and snot eating brats who actually like crap kid's movies.
I did no such thing, I just didn't think it was fair that the more skeptical people were getting targeted so much. They have as much right to their opinion as you do.
But I promised another user I'd drop it before the movie comes out, so I am. Hope this clears things up.
Here's one of my genuine fears about the merchandise. Like Frogboy, I'm working more than one job now--Hub, too--and things are still tight because of the economy. I am worried that I am not going to be able to participate as much as I want to in purchasing the Muppet merchandise because I am an adult (perhaps I should say responsible adult), and my responsibility is to take care of my kids (and their toys--LOL!) first. I have birthdays AND Christmas for my bunchkins coming up between now and December 25th.
So I am worried that I will not be able to afford all of the cool stuff that IS out and that Disney wil interpret that as lackluster interest on the part of the fans. Making stuff that we WOULD buy but can't afford would send--at best--and ambiguous message about our interest.
So, Disney--if you're listening (or reading)--I'm going to be brown-bagging it and cutting corners and couponing and hope-hope-hoping that Santa will remember my muppet passion! Less over-priced nail polish and more, um, "practical" things like t-shirts, notebooks, ornaments (use every year, or all year!), plushies (longevity and daily use!).
I understand what you mean, I've worried about that stuff before. But I think most companies are aware (or at least they should be) that people are changing their spending habits nowadays with the recession.
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