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ABC News Video: Jason Segel, Muppet Savior

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Nov 3, 2011.

  1. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Yes--Gonzo's wardrobe is still the just as wild and wacky as it ever was. He was the original sexy geek!
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Agree to disagree, to me Muppets Tonight was a downgrade in every sense of the word. ;)
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I remember hearing that MCC was originally going to be a much different project under the direction of Jim Henson and it was going to feature Scooter as the Ghost of Christmas Present and Gonzo as the Ghost of Christmas Future. Instead they went for something a little more stoic than silly with Gonzo and Rizzo providing most of the comedic levity. It gave Gonzo a chance to grow beyond his craziness that was a little more balanced in MTI. While it's not my favorite of the Muppet projects, it is a quality effort that gave us something different.

    Muppets Tonight stumbled right out of the gate by allowing Kermit and company to take a backseat to the newer Muppets. I understand the need for new Muppets, but not at the expense of our favorites. By the time writers and producers caught on it was already too late and ABC Disney shuffled the show around on its Friday night schedule until finally burying it on the Disney Channel. They did eventually start getting it right. Nevertheless, I still thought it sucked that they had the most bland house band in place of the out-of-work Electric Mayhem.

    I am extremely excited about the new "Muppets" film, but there are a few tiny concerns. One being the opening song seems a little more Sesame rather than Muppety. It could have done with some singing Muppet cakes and veggies instead of so many dancing Disneyland Parade cast members. The song sounds great otherwise. I'm also a little worried about Jason, Amy and even Walter eclipsing the Muppets' screentime, but the ads reiterate that "this is their [The Muppets] movie". Other than that everything looks impressive beyond this fan's imagination. :)
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  4. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    How come? I don't think so. I think that song definetely suits the Muppets very well.

    What makes you jump to the conclusion that the movie dancers work at the parks?
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    This is where the crazy begins, so i'll just agree to disagree. :rolleyes:
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    OMG! I just heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" on MC Radio! Amazing! All the voices were pitch perfect! :attitude::eek:[​IMG]:sympathy:
  7. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Impressive! So they all sound exactly like Kurt Cobain then?
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  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    yes, yes they do. hehe!
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The thing about Muppets Tonight was that some stuff worked beautifully, some stuff tried too hard, and some stuff just didn't work at all. it was a very experimental show, and you can tell that there was some real greatness towards it, but the confusion of what they wanted to do with it blundered the rest of it. The UK only skits, sadly, were the things that worked the best.

    I know not putting Kermit out there was a wishy washy decision of the day (it took VMX and KSY to really bring him back)... I don't think that hurt the project so much as the fact they were going for too many different genres at once. The talk show/sketch show format was trying to be clever and more now than a variety show format (which hadn't been done since the 70's). of course, if they had problems with Kermit being the host, I really think Gonzo shoulda hosted the thing, Rizzo being the Co-host, and Clifford sitting in with the band, yet having a big role.

    There was a LOT of great stuff... the episode where Johnny Fiama was too shy to sing with his idol... the one where Bunsen goes through an identity crisis when Beaker goes to a Star Trek convention Cruise... Kermit singing Once in a Life Time, Tales from the Vet (never ceases to crack me up)... even the UK bits like Mr. Calahan and The Tubbs of Porksmith. But stuff like Deep Dish Nine and Bay of Pigs watch tried too hard and just didn't work.

    That said, I LOOOOOVE the JHH Muppet Central format. I think I dig it even more than the theater... too bad it lasted like a week.

    It looks like it's trying too hard. it just wants to look as stuffy and British as possible, and it would have worked JUST as fine if it was 1900's New York and these were little New York ragamuffins running around. The British thing looks to try too hard to be Harry Potter to me.
    Yeah. I think it's a fine film on the whole, but it lacks that Muppet certain something. Changing Fezziwig's to Fozziewig's Rubber Chicken factory (and to not so much as see a rubber chicken) doesn't add that wackiness they usually exert. The only things that screamed Muppet Wackiness were the Puddings singing with the Chef and (my personal favorite) LIGHT THE LAMP NOT THE RAT!!! But having Kermit be a secondary character, having serious ghosts of Christmas (though I do indeed like the Ghost of Christmas Present), and dumping every other character to a flashback or very minor role just takes away that Muppet quality.

    It's a fine version of the story (though I will always treasure Mr. Magoo more), a well put together film, and visually stunning. Just not as fun as MTI, which overcame some of those handicaps by adding wacky musical numbers and fun pirate characters.
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  10. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    The thing is that all the wacky Muppet characters have split up; the monsters, frogs, sheep etc. Adding other Muppets would contradict the rest of the movie. The big finale should certainly make up for that.
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  11. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Wonderfully well put, Oscarfan.

    On a side note, I still can't help but wonder what made Frogboy jump to the conclusionthat the dancers in that sequence were Disneyland parade cast members.
  12. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    he didnt mean anything by it just that they where people not muppets....its a fact people who work for disney in parks are called cast members....he was just saying how this group look more like that than muppet movie cast members
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I finally started seeing some new TV spots. One narrated by Walter introducing the character. Came on during 2 Broke Girls, even though it SHOULD have been during How I met your Mother (show the writer and main human is in... HELLO! Made more sense that way). Now's the time we should be seeing it every commercial break, or at LEAST once during every show. We're going to be literally flooded with certain Penguin movie adds next week (when it's released), and I hope the loud obnoxious noise that thing makes doesn't eclipse this film.

    The stakes of the Muppets doing well are seeing new movies, TV shows (or at LEAST specials), and more collectible merchandise... the stakes of Happy Feet 2 would be a Happy Feet three. NO ONE wants that.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I do understand the premise of the film. I've followed it from the beginning. That's why i said muppety foods and objects rather than actual Muppets. That sequence just seems a little saccharine for a Muppet movie. Maybe it will fit in better with context.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd say the foods were either taken with them or eaten.;)

    Yeah, I think the concept is the song is the OVERLY positive happy song that's in one of those kids of musicals. At first I felt the thing was supposed to be a sarcastic gag, now I think of it as an homage to that sort of thing.

    Still sounds like My Chemical Romance compared to that AWFUL Tomorrow song from that horrid musical Annie. Sorry, but the ONLY comic strip based musicals for me concern round headed kids and their dogs with hyper imaginations.
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  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    It was a rhetorical comment because in my opinion the exaggerated movements look more like themepark-based dancers than cinematic dancers as featured in GMC's opening sequence "Hey A Movie". It may look better in context, but was not the type of musical number I envisioned when hearing the soundtrack recording.

    Duke Remington: Quit harassing forum members who disagree with you. There's a pattern of your trying to steer thread discussions away from anything that deviates from your opinion. Personal commentary is communication and is not always negative, but your attempts at bullying certainly are! You had an opportunity to cease responses to my post. You continued. Duke, you were doing so well here for a while and now this notorious pattern of behavior has begun again. This is supposed to be a pleasant thread for all points of view, not a place for you to pick on people who make statements you don't like. We're all fans here. Moderators have taken action about this very thing before so you should know better than this by now. Let's enjoy the discussion and ALL points of view. Thank you!
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  17. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I was not harassing you or anyone else, Frogboy. I was just asking a simple question, trying to understand your point of view, and do not wish to be misunderstood. That's all.
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    No, you were not. This is the same thing you always do!

    The way you continually pick at statements you disagree with is like when a child keeps asking "Why?" to an adult in order to wear them down until they relent to your point of view. It's subversive bullying and you've been warned before.

    Please reassess your dealings with me and other forum members. The issue is not coming from us. Either drop this continued harassment or it will be reported. You are derailing yet another discussion.

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  19. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Ordinarily i might agree, but given that the opening takes place in Smalltown before the trio go to visit Los Angeles, it makes perfect sense that the only Muppet present is Walter - not even any food or inanimate objects...Walter's being the only Muppet where he lives is what makes meeting other Muppets so wondrous. Conceptually and artistically, Walter should be the only Muppet at that point.
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Yeah, i guess it just bothers me that small town's happiness seems a little more exaggerated than human characters should be. Maybe it makes more sense in the context of the film. The soundtrack vocals seemed muppety so i expected something of that sort.

    On another note, i am impressed about the closing musical number (reprise) after watching the recent choreographer interview. Also the recent glimpse into the shooting behind Pictures in my Head looks like it will be one of the highlights of the film.

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