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ABC officially cancels "The Muppets"

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by JimAndFrank, May 12, 2016.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but with Netflix, you need to have a reliable internet connection for it to work, which not everybody has. Cable, on the other hand, all you need is a TV for them to connect everything to, which a lot of people do have.
  2. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    right, so if they are going to a new project, it's best that they do it on cable tv.
  3. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    No, it's not. Netflix is still their best bet for now.

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    like I said my cable goes out just as much as my aunt and uncles Direct TV out in California where it rains almost every other day of the winter, I live in Punta Gorda Florida! Also if you live in the middle of nowhere where service might not be optimal what good would cable be if it is not even an option in your area? My Grandparents used to live in Ausable Acres in the Adirondacks, Jay New York, In Ausable Acres they don't have cable as an option not enough people to warrant it so you either get Verizon Fios or a dish or don't have TV in the past all my grandparents had was analog TV on an old 1970's Quasar TV Analog TV does not exist in the USA anymore the GOV did away with it because the TV's were emitting a kind of gas in the atmosphere that was not environmentally sound so what good is a good TV signal if you cant get Cable or any TV for that matter.
  5. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member


    This is fake, but I think this really is what's happening.
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  6. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    It's...disappointing, but not worth giving up entirely over...
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  7. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Of course it's fake. There will ALWAYS be future Muppet projects.
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  8. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member

    I think the only place they're going now is just merchandise.
  9. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Please stop being wrong. :rolleyes:
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's a not that funny joke, I agree. I'm not saying there won't be Muppet projects, nor do I agree that there never will be one again. I don't see one on the immediate horizon is all, but only because they're going to really have to do some thinking about what format the characters can come back as. They haven't shut the door on the Muppets the way they did (albeit temporarily) Winnie the Pooh when that movie didn't do as well as they hoped. They restocked merchandise in stores just before ABC brought the hammer down, and by all means they could have dumped them all on deep discount clearnace like the Good Dinosaur toys (which sucks because the only thing that hurt that movie was timing, but that's a rant for another day). They've revealed Muppet Tsum Tsums in the future, so Disney is at least thinking about the Muppets and considering them. Even if we have to go a little while on just merchandising, I'm fine with that. The last thing we need is another misstep, so the next Muppet project, whenever and whatever, should be taken time with. The Muppets was rushed into production, and that's why it left a bad first impression on certain audiences. Meanwhile, the better received of the Disney Muppet projects was TM11, and they took their time with that one and had it go through every department possible to get their stamp on it. A little fussed over, but it was a modest hit. Maybe that was the problem. The sitcom didn't have time to develop.
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  11. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member

    I'm just trying to say that at the current moment they really have no on-screen plans, unless they guest star somewhere. I don't think anything for the muppets is completely over, I just think they're going through a phase of trying to figure out what to do now, as they're trying to forget about this whole TV show thing and move on.
  12. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Well-Known Member

    They may have projects in the works or will soon. It's not like they're disappearing or anything. The end of this show isn't the end of the world, or The Muppets.
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  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Please stop being butthurt.
  14. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member

    This is why you're so respected. Also because it's your birthday. Happy Birthday!
  15. xSunnyEclipse

    xSunnyEclipse Well-Known Member

    I don't mean to come off as 'rude' but you really need to be more positive. There's projects in the works.
    Just have some faith, okay?
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  16. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    How do you know that?
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While I think later rather than sooner, we'll find them in some form of media eventually. At any rate, I wouldn't mind a slightly sooner than later, but later than sooner so we can get a project that Muppet fans, both die hard and extremely casual (and everything in between) can get behind. I find myself less broken up with this show's cancellation every day because the more I think about it, it really wasn't meant to be. They should have started the show off much stronger, even though we all know that shows that start off small usually become huge while shows that start huge never recapture the lightning in a bottle. The series would eventually turn into the Muppet show we could all be proud of, but in the end it's that "eventually" what did it. If the next project has time to flourish and bloom, we might have something that holds the mainstream audience's interest, and not something that doesn't automatically satisfy some faded memory of watching a Muppet movie VHS at granny's house.
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  18. JT Yorke

    JT Yorke Well-Known Member

    What i'm curious about is do you guys think they will produce more shows/movies? I mean not looking through our fan glasses. Why should people who aint hardcore fans watch any future productions?
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's exactly the problem. I've always said that a mainstream audience TV show wasn't going to get really good ratings. And it's the fickleness of the mainstream audience that somehow loves seeing someone wearing a Muppet T-shirt, buys a Funko Pop, laughs their butt off at a Family Guy cutscene or a Robot Chicken sketch about Muppets, and maybe even buy a DVD or two they'll never actually watch. But there's no sense of urgency to actually bother to go out to a movie or regularly tune into to a television program. And fan glasses or not, that sucks. I'm not going to say "you're not a true fan unless you see everything they ever did as soon as it comes out," but this is the exact opposite. The "I remember those guys!" punctuated by a flurry of misinformation, wrong character names, and mentally combining Sesame Street characters with Muppet Show ones. Other than a few periods of lulls here and there, the characters never really went away for too long. Sure, they didn't have a TV show or theatrical film for as long as a kid grows up and struggles to pay for college, but they still managed to make TV specials and appearances. There will always be room for viral videos, Christmas specials (because people only love the Muppets around Christmas because of that darn Christmas Carol movie), and TV appearances, and that's sadly what excites the "what are the names of the two guys in the balcony?" audience. Not a new movie or a TV show, or at least just initially.

    For years, the MC member Beaker has been saying something that always stuck with me. The hardcore Muppet fan base is both much smaller than most mainstream fandoms (and frankly, it's less disgusting than most fandoms, look at the Ghostbusters fans...eek), and constantly underground. People like the Muppets. When anyone mentions "frog" Kermit's the first thing in their minds, pigs only bring to mind Miss Piggy or Porky Pig, and while Fozzie's down the list after Yogi, he's always one of the bears that would be mentioned when bears are brought up. These characters are iconic, but somehow that fails to translate into a mainstream massive audience. Don't get me wrong, the disconnect baffles all of us. Fans of a franchise will pour into something they know is downright horrible (otherwise, the Star Wars Prequels would have been flops, as would be the Transformers movies) either to see if it really is that bad or to find more things about it to complain about. But mostly because of loyalty. And while the small cluster of fans mostly does that for Muppets (though there really hasn't been that much I'd deem unsalvageable and terrible outside a bad TV appearance or maybe KSY), the mainstream audience is just the "Oh, I remember how Cookie Monster and Gobo Fraggle blew each other up on the Sesame Street Muppet Show" type.

    And I wouldn't be surprised if even the at the time bomb film turned cult classic Labyrinth has more hardcore fans than the Muppets. Farscape sure did for some reason.
  20. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I've said this before and I'll say it again: THEATRICAL SHORTS. Either like run of some of the web stuff before a Disney flick or make a new one. Yeah, it won't save the franchise or anything, but I don't know why they haven't been doing that.

    Also, release the rest of the viral videos they shot a year ago. They won two Webby awards for them; you'd think they'd realize this is a successful method of making Muppet content.

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