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"America's Next Muppet" mini-series in development

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 6, 2005.

  1. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    the un-usefull tv spots the muppets have been on...I'd rather kermit not be on tv at all that acting a fool on some home building show to be quite honest...and I have no problem with the muppets wizard of oz I think it's ok I just dont like old whats her face who played Dorthy...I mean look i can't even remember her name...was it beyonce? those pop divas are all the same to me...*shruggs* but like I said I think Disney should bring out the muppet libray all out on dvd first if all they want to do is make money from them.
  2. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    Still, ashanti or no ashanti (she wasn't terrible), I'd still rather have had MWoO than nothing. I didn't like it enough to buy it, but it was an okay rent (I missed it on TV). It had some moments, and a decent effort was put into it. I'd like more things like that. Better than nothing!
  3. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    Ashati that's her name! sorry I can't remember all these cookie cuter pop princesses. And I Deg To Biffer! She was soooo stiff with the muppets.
    I'd rather queen latiffa be dorthy atleast she acted like herself.
    It all was just way to trendy and modern for me.
    The muppets don't need to act like that they are fine the way they are just have them acting themselves in todays world and they would be just as good as what they're trying to do and failing at it.
    And the dvd is good I don't have a problem with the muppets wizard of oz to be quite honest besides the bad cgi wizard part and lil miss pop princess.
  4. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member


    yeah, it'd be alot better without those! But are they to blame for the low ratings?!
  5. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    to be honest I'm not sure what the real ratings had been for this disney said one thing...fans said another...some guy who complains on some blog said another...
    To me sadly the muppets just feel so out of place these days...and I have no problem with steve doing Kermit even though I know quite a few people allot better at it and who happen to act allot like jim's kermit....and thats my problem...steve's kermit trys to act to out of hand and he was always like the calm collective one....no he just seems like he's on a lack of sleep and to much coffee lol.
  6. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    I see what you're saying, but didn't Kermit lose it and do a lot of yelling backstage on the Muppet Show? Jim's movie Kermit and SS Kermit seemed to be calmer. He'd yell at Scooter, Fozzie or Gonzo at the drop of a dime!

    "Out! Out! Out!"
    "Will you get outta here!"
  7. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    yes Kermit gets angry..but that's not what I'm talking about..his character had a range of character...steves Kermit is flat and hyper all of the time...or overly nice...kinda makes me not like Kermit anymore...he was silly not hyper.
    He kinda acts like when you see an amiture at a mall doing puppets or a sunday school teacher doing a puppet show...they kinda flop them around like dolls..not very believable.:smirk:
  8. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    ... like I've said many times, none of it is the same since Jim passed and Frank retired. They were masters at what they did.

    ... mind you, some of what you're saying has to do with the material they're given. I think the worst Muppet material I've seen is the Pepe's Profiles stuck on the 4 Disney anniversary DVD. It's simply un-funny.
  9. The Muppaphone

    The Muppaphone Well-Known Member

    Amen to that. Its sad to think how one of the leading children's entertainment companies can manage to mutilate every liscence it gets its dirty little hands on.
  10. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Well-Known Member

    (Some people might kill me for saying this, but) I dont think we need a new show right now, I believe Disney needs to do more research and get the Muppets back to its original form in order to make the show a success, but If we have a Muppet show right now? I believe it will flop, the rate the Muppets are treated right now. But thats my opinion.
  11. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    That actually sounds like a dang good idea. It's probably better to develop them and make sure that they bring them back with something good instead of throwing them to the wolves with something like MWoO. Personally, I think they should listen to us fans, and look at what they did in the past to make the original show great. Then, we'll have a show worthy of putting on TV.

  12. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    no way (on my side anyways) I agree with you 100% I got the book before you leap the kermit book the othernight and there is this amazing shot with kermit, piggy, anima, rizzo, beau, droop, gonzo, doglion, and many others and as I was at the store I showed the photo to my friend with a tear in my eye and said "dang it now this is the muppets right here this visualy is the muppets to me" "& thats whats missing!! all these creatures and monsters and other characters the muppets are more than just kermit, piggy, fozzie, and gonzo it's all these odd creatures!!"
    And now after watching almost every episode of the muppet show and muppet movies he agrees with me that is exactly whats missing the supporting cast.
  13. Tim

    Tim Well-Known Member

    And let's not forget the guest stars. Though not all of them were gems, they did manage to book most of the legends, often times right before they died. Who are you going to book now-Jessica Simpson? The winners of "American Idol"? Come ON!
  14. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    See I think a show could be put out within some time frame, if hiring was done correctly. I'm not saying put it out next month, but I think if an announcement was done tomorrow saying who was hired for development was announced, I would see nothing wrong with a years time. You can't research and create the magic that is the Muppets in that way, it just has to happen. I would nowhere point to knowing the formula, but I think making sure you have the right people is a HUGE part.

    *gets off soapbox*

  15. erniebert1234ss

    erniebert1234ss Well-Known Member

    Disney has been raising my hackles more and more recently. The only thing that would really make me sorta-kinda happy is the Disney Treasures, the new Walt Disney Legacy DVDs, and the Muppet Show Season 2 DVDs (which I can understand pushing it till after the Christmas holidays, because it'd be TOO much Disney. They were smart...for a change!). The DVD unit is in shambles. The cheap shorts collections are really half-baked. It's like Disney thinks that their fans "won't care" and that children "won't care". On the big adult fans "not caring", I call bs. How do VICIOUS video glitching errors EVER get past QA??? Disney needs to put the "Quality" back in to "Disney". They're moving in the right direction, but they need to do more.

    *stepping off Soapbox #1934 now* (those of you who get my reference deserve a cookie)

  16. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    there are plenty of great bands who could be guests on the muppet show I for one would love to see a alice cooperish episode w/ Rob Zombie, They could also have they might be giants, bjork, marilyn manson, jim carry, will farrel, Sparklehorse, Outkast, David Bowie, Eels, Madonna, Gorillaz, Human League, Komeda, Praga Khan, The White Stripes, Rasputina, heck they could even have new british stars come onto the show, and the list goes on!
    So to say there are no good modern guests for the show is a bit un-true.
    It's gonna take allot of study and time to get it right though and people like jim and his crew who care as much as they did about the muppets and sadly I think the only ones who really care that much are muppet fans themselves.
  17. spcglider

    spcglider Well-Known Member

    I've aid it before and I'll say it again... Disney is trying to quantify the Muppets and force them to become a "formula".

    It cannot be done.

    You cannot formulate "silly". Its like trying to put 100 kilos of mercury into a 24 carat muffin tin.

    The Muppets were a hot potato for a while, but they've cooled considerably under the icy touch of the Mouse's bean counters.

    Everything the Muppets did was wellsprung directly from Jim's gut instinct, or as Jerry Juhl put it, his "whim of steel".

    Bean counters are, by definition, not whimsical, silly, or prone to act on instinct.

    Until the Disney company puts a new, TRUE, creative head on the MHC (and gets the heck out of their way so the silliness can ensue), they are going to languish and falter.

  18. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    Right. I think it would be smart for Disney to help install a decent creative team, and then step back....WAY back.

    I sure wish Lasseter was a crazy obsessed Muppet fan.....he's the one person Iger will really listen to on the imaginative side.
  19. spcglider

    spcglider Well-Known Member

    All the folks at PIXAR are Muppet fans (from what I understand), but John L. is SO busy being involved with not only the computer animation end of things, but also with the Theme Park Imagineers and a spearhead effort to bring traditional animation BACK to the US (and to Disney) that he probably doesn't have enough time to scratch his own bum at this point.

    Yes, I'd LOVE to see him name a proper Henson successor. Its a great idea, but one not probably in the offing.

  20. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    Haha you're ruining my perfect dream!

    We just don't need any more business people in charge of the Muppets....because they may be able to tell you all about profits and margins and all sorts of jazz, but they tend to lack in the imagine department.

    And I'm sure Lasseter has friends who are just as crazy/genius as he is. Let him name some people!

    I just really like Lasseter........

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