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Any big Murray fans?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by beaker, Jun 18, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really don't blame Murray for any of that. I still think the character is amazing, I just don't like the execution of the block segments he's hosting. It doesn't matter to me if it was Murray, Elmo, Third Monster from the left in "Beginning Middle and End" or whatever... I like how he does the letter and number of the day intros, but the announcing what segment's coming up next wasn't that great an idea.

    I say, season 41, we keep the letter and number intros, film new ones with him AND Ovejita, and just skip all the "Abby's Flying School is up next" stuff. But I STILL love the look of taking a muppet out into the real world, and not just having them sit in a cramped little studio set.

    And I hope he doesn't get the Telly merchandising snub. They NEED to make a plush or PVC of him/them...
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Why is a thread like this in the CLASSIC SST board? Lol.

    Personally, I don't mind Murray too much (my mom thinks he's the most hideous-looking Muppet she's ever seen), but as I've said before, if you're going to have a character be the unofficial host of the show, give the duties to a character with more seniority.

    But like a lot of you, I too am glad to see Joey getting a stable character for himself... Stinky? Papa Bear? Those aren't exactly "star" quality characters.
  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Yeah that is odd. It's almost like Murray and Ovejita only exist in the "real world". (My view has always been that Muppets are just actors, and everything we see is just them acting)

    Man you're right...we've never seen him interact with the other characters. Also no cameos in merchandise, dvds, no nothing.
    I wonder if there's a reason for this...I mean they keep him on, so they much have a good use for him.

    I just know, I'd love to see some Murray merchandise, and as you said a Murray hosted dvd. Eh, at least I finally got a Telly and Martian plush.
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    YES! Man, any time we see Muppets in the real world where the public walking around is unscripted(Pepe scenes on From The Balcony for example) it's amazing. These are by far my fave examples...and I personally do not feel you can be a real Muppet fan and *not* love that "Murray had a little lamb" minute long intro they use. It's just so alive with fun quirkyness(like Ovejita on the pottery wheel)

    And man, it's eerie how much you think like me...I was just thinking how Telly has been ROYALLY snubbed out of merchandising over the years. I think I've seen two Telly pvcs and one little plush. A Murray/Ovejita plush and pvc package would be way too cool...

    Then again, it's not like Fisher Price ever made any actual cool Sesame merchandise. (I think they made one Abby pvc so far)
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Haha, true. Though Joe The Armadillo(from the behind the scenes Kermit Swamp Years dvd bonus feature) wowed me so much, I yearned for him to become a Muppet regular...so I'm so glad Joey was able to transplant a bit of that voice and personality into the Murray character.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Joe the Armadillo became a "rejected" Muppet after that, lol. If I remember, the puppet was reused for Puppet Up! Uncensored.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I like Stinky... but really, I don't think he has a genuine character. I never cared for the loud, whiny elephant myself... I really think he has a genuine talent, but it's almost like him and David Rudman are joined at the hip. His best characters before hand played off David's characters with such a unique chemestry... i.e. Papa Bear to Baby Bear, Joey Monkey to Davey Monkey, the two headed monster...

    Murray seems pretty genuine. I've seen a lot of characters on SS come and go, some were very flat (from what I've seen of Dexter the Juggler, it's a novel concept but such a bland character). And he plays off of non-scripted, non-studio kids and adults so well.

    That, and I really think he has an amazing unique design. most humanoid muppets on SS are made out of AM's, even prominent characters like the Count and Prairie Dawn. it really seems the area of monsters, they really tend to get creative. His character design is a bit borrowed from Filfil, but he looks so different than what you normally see on Sesame Street, but he still fits in perfectly.
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

  9. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Yeah I always thought the foreign(particularly the Asian and Muslim/Middle Eastern) Sesame Street characters had the coolest look out of anything in the Sesame world. I see what you mean, by the Mumford/Count/Fats Blue/Prairie/Forgetful Jones/Guy Smiley/Abby/etc. look.

    I always preferred the shaggy look of Oscar:p But yeah, the way Murray and Ovejita interact in non scripted real world environments and situations is amazing. *IF* Sesame ever released the best of Word on the Street/Murray Had A Little Lamb, I'd so buy it!

    Is there a way for Murray/Ovejita fans to show Sesame Workshop how much we dig these characters? And suggest they make merchandise?
  10. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Murray's interacted with the other Sesame Street characters on the Street before. In the Texas Telly and the Golden Triangle of Destiny episodes (or at least one of them- the last one I think) Murray is there with Telly in Leela's laundromat when Telly finds the Golden Triangle of Destiny.
    But it would be nice to see him mingle with other Sesame Street denizens too.:wisdom::insatiable::batty:
  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Aw, thanks...I hadn't seen those segments before I think. There's a LOT of 2000-2009 Sesame I haven't seen, that I'll end up having to catch up on dvd best ofs and Sesame workshop's youtube.

    Just hard to catch up on a daily hour long show with modern adult(school/work/etc) life...I remember watching virtually every 1979-1992 episode of Sesame Street it just about seemed like.
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Currently it seems like Elmo's World is the only recurring sketch to get it's own DVD releases. For a long time I've been thinking they should release more like that (especially complete Sesame Street News and Monsterpiece Theater sketches), but recently I've been thinking that they should release special DVDs of Murray Has a Little Lamb (preferably with the original guessing game sequences), Bert and Ernie's Great Adventures, and Abby's Flying Fairy School (I'll be surprised if we don't get such a release within the next year). I'm sure they'd make good releases... Oh, that's right, then Elmo wouldn't be able to be on the covers...

    Of course this should be feasiable. I've noticed that while we got a few new DVDs with original linking footage during the first half of the year, for the remainder of the year it seems that we've only got DVDs with existing material. DVDs with just a few recent street stories, the recent 40th anniversary set, I think we got a new Elmo's World release (but I'm not too sure). I don't know if it's because of the economy or if it's just a coincidence that we haven't gotten any DVDs with new footage in awhile.

    I wonder what the chances would be of Murray and/or Ovejita appearing in Sesame Street Live. I would be hard for Murray to just go into the audience and have unscripted conversations with the people in the audience, unless Joey Mazzarino was inside the Murray costume.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    It's just too much. I swear, even collectible Sesame 40th annv stuff has to have Elmo on the front of the package and back, in case anyone forgot that Elmo is the be all end all of Sesame Street.

    From a psychological standpoint, I cannot understand how kids could possibly find anything to like about Elmo; let alone how obsessive they seem to be with parents obliging since the Christmas of 1996. Just makes no sense.

    Ok, I'm in my early 30's, but I can remember to when I was an insanely rabid Muppet/Sesame fan between the ages of 3-6. No way in heck would I have cared for Elmo.

    I just find it rather sad Elmo is the alpha and omega of Sesame
    marketing/identity/branding/everything. Elmo this, Elmo that.
    I think this is why I cherish pre Elmo saturated Sesame merchandise...even those strangely drawn early 70's LP record art and children's books(haha, I think I still have all those early to late 1970's Sesame books with Gordon)
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Again, I just can't bring myself to hate Elmo so much as I hate the reasons why he has to be in everything. And I especially hate what kid's television has gone through since the Barney the Dinosaur explosion.... that's what I blame the popularity of Elmo on, myself. Sure, I understand he was how SS found their footing after they lost a lot of the creative forces behind SS in a row. And I understand that he's for some reason popular with the 2 and 3 year olds that now watch the show (I guess they prefer the company of 3 year olds?) But I still don't understand why he has to be the end all be all of SS now.

    I mean, I think Kevin is doing all he can to make the character fun to perform... but I think that all of his other characters combined are a million times better than Elmo will ever be. And, really... deep down, I miss him being more monstery... I grew up in the 80's where he first appeared, and he was a monster kid who acted just like the other monsters, only younger... I admit the character has grown on me in recent years, but even then, I feel enough's enough. I just can't blame the character for the fact it's virtually holding SS together in a time where kids (and adults) think flat, 1 dimensional characters who ask viewers for help are amazing.

    But back to Murray.... I said this somewhere else, but I really think they should get rid of half the tune ins and keep the letter and number bits... BUT bring back Ovejita for Murray to play off of. He plays off of other people good enough... but he really plays off beautifully with her by his side.

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