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Any Ernst Fans?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by dwayne1115, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wonder if they put it in there because of the movie. The "which may or may not be fictional" part of the description sounds like somethign they'd do on The Simpsons or Family Guy.

    [quote="D'Snowth] Most Ernest titles seem to be distributed by Mill Creek Entertainment, they've released the collections, as well as more recently the complete series set, as well as a triple-feature set with "Goes to Camp", "Goes to Jail", and "Scared Stupid" (all of which have actually been restored much better compared to their previous single releases); [/quote]

    Come to think of it, I have the blu-ray of Ernest Goes to Jail, and the Touchstone Pictures logo does not appear on the packaging. Makes me wonder if Touchstone still owns those films.

    And if there are to be new Ernest DVDs, hopefully those will have bonus features.
     
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I was under the impression that Disney actually owned the theatrical movies, but apparently not...

    And likewise, on this triple-feature set from Mill Creek, while there is no Touchstone logo on the packaging either, they are listed in the little credit blurbs on the back, and on the actual movies, they do still retain the logo at the opening and closing of each movie.
     
  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I noticed that stuff, even though the logo's not there. Maybe Disney sold the distribution rights?
     
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I finally caught Ernest Goes to School on YouTube, so now I can say I've seen every Ernest movie at least once.

    However, as far as this particular movie goes, I don't think too much of it, it's definitely one of the weaker movies in the series, I think even "Scared Stupid" may have been a little better than this... the plot was okay, but the acting and directing seems a little tired in this installment. Linda Kash's performance was great as always, but she somehow seemed out of place in this movie, I think it may be that she was basically made to play a stereotypical and cliched German-accented mad scientist-type character... and somehow, pairing her with Bobby seemed off... Bobby didn't have that Chuck-type character to play off of, where Chuck would screw something up, or cause some kind of little chaos, despite having good intentions, while Bobby would just smile and nod, and somehow in his own, quiet and collected way, would fix the problem... in other words, being the straightman to Chuck (or Tom in "Scared Stupid")... here, since Gerta wasn't really a bumbling character, that schtick wasn't there, so the pairing just wasn't quite right. I'm sure Jim Varney was pleased to actually play Ernest in an intelligent manner for a change, given his near-genius I.Q. in real life, but somehow, I didn't really care for how it seemed like the smarter Ernest got, the ruder and more uppity he became. Oh, and his crush on the teacher... yeah, that just isn't funny anymore... I guess living in a state that is notorious for teacher sex scandals, any kind of romantic interest plot involving a teacher just doesn't seem funny anymore, even if it is on an innocent level.

    So yeah, not one of the better Ernest movies, if you ask me. Plus, with the big football game in the end being a subplot of the movie, that was kind of like whitenoise, since the mid-90s cranked out a little of kiddie sports movies (Little Giants, The Big Green, Sandlot, etc.)
     
  5. Scooterforever

    Scooterforever Well-Known Member

    Ernest Scared Stupid remains an unsurpassed masterpiece of modern cinema which I remember fondly from my childhood. Those trolls terrified me:eek:!
     
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I just found some of the old commercials with Chuck and Bobby. I had been looking for them a few years ago, and now I found them (and see that they have been online since 2012... Should have kept looking).

     
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I just thought of something (actually I thought about this a long time ago, but just remembered).

    Vern is short for Vernon, I think, and in Ernest Goes to Camp, Sherman Krater is played by John Vernon. Could he have been cast because of his last name?
     
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Recently I bought the DVD Ernest's Wacky Adventures, which includes Your World as I See It and Ernest's Greatest Hits Vol. 1 and 2, and I've got to ask.... Was Your World as I See It meant to be broadcast on television? I know, according to IMDB, that it was first released on video in 1994, but it's broken up into several segments, and it looks like it might have been planned as an interstitial series for some kind of programming block.

    Each segment beginnings with the title card, then Astor Clements provides an intro before obviously introducing a commercial or commercial break, and then goes back to him talking about something (leading to a segment with Ernest or some other Varney character). Even if it didn't air, was it meant to be shown on television somewhere?

    I can't find any such info online. There's an Internet Movie Database page which isn't really helpful in what I want to know, and it seems it doesn't have a wikipedia page. This is such an intriguing project.

    Additionally, I read that "Ernest the Pirate" was never actually meant to be an Ernest movie. I found that there was an interview where John Cherry said that it was a non-Ernest movie, I forget the title, and Jim Varney was originally cast to play the lead, only to be replaced by Tim Curry after he became too ill, and I think it was released in 1999 (just before Varney died). Aside from the fact that it was to star Varney, I wonder how the rumor got started that it was "Ernest the Pirate". I remember seeing that among Jim Varney's filmography on IMDB before he died, and now that I think of it I sort of remember an obituary which said that there weren't any unreleased Ernest movies in production when he died.

    And speaking of unreleased Ernest movies, I just read on the Ernest P. Worrell wikipedia page that there were a few unproduced scripts and treatments.... And the descriptions for those unproduced movies sound horrible (but maybe they would have been better than the titles/descriptions).
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm really curious about YOUR WORLD AS I SEE IT as well - but even if they were produced for television, how would they air? Perhaps on a cable channel as intersentials? Like maybe Disney since Touchstone produced the original theatrical movies?

    As for other Ernest movies, I'd take what Wikipedia says with a grain of salt, but I have no doubts they were probably planning others - John Cherry said in an interview that they were using Ernest as a character in a similar fashion as James Bond in that every movie has Ernest with a new job, with new friends, with a new love interest, et al, so Ernest could easily be sequeled in new movies like Bond.

    As for non-Ernest movies Jim Varney starred in, I was reading about one recently that came out in the 80s that sounds like GOOD BURGER, only Varney was the owner of a big corporate burger chain, and the competition was putting drugs in their burgers to entice customers instead of a secret sauce.
     
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Last night I thought maybe it was shown during a programming block, but I think an interstatial series shown between two programs might be a better bet (wasn't Schoolhouse Rock shown right after a program ended?). Considering each one begins with what is clearly Astor introducing a commercial, I guess they would have started after the program begins, then have a brief commercial, then do the rest of the show.

    And the video ends with a few really short segments that appear to be special promos for Your World as I See It (was it common to show promos for interstitial series?).

    Wasn't there recently a biography book on Jim Varney? I wonder if there's information in there.

    Yeah, I thought of Ernest as being a bit like Pee-Wee Herman, Cheech and Chong, Looney Tunes, and The Muppets, all characters with no set continuity.

    I think that was titled Fast Food. But I only know that Jim Varney was in a movie with that title, not the plot or anything.
     
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about the three Ernest movies I consider the worst -Ernest Rides Again, Ernest Goes to Africa, and Ernest in the Army - and I realize that I've only seen each of those three just once (okay, I once caught part of a broadcast of Ernest Rides Again before renting and watching the whole movie).

    I wonder if it's fair to consider those to be so bad. Probably. But at the time I saw Ernest in the Army and Ernest Goes to Africa, I had lost a bit of interest in Ernest. I suddenly had a spike of interest in the franchise around 1995-1998 (an interest that would come back a few years ago), wanting to see all the Ernest films I had not seen. During this time I had rented Ernest Rides Again, and for some reason I only watched it once (I did rent it from a video store where rentals lasted one day, but there have been many times I rented something that was due the next day and managed to watch 2-3 times). I don't think I hated it then (then again, there were a few video stores I frequented that had the Ernest Film Festival VHS, and for some reason I never rented it, despite wanting to see the commercials and knowing who Vern is, exactly... and I should have got from the short promo for Ernest Goes to School in the Ernest Rides Again VHS that he was an unseen character).

    But I didn't see those others until my interest in Ernest had lowered a bit. I ended up renting Ernest in the Army shortly after Jim Varney died (I think it might have been the first thing I rented after that), but didn't see Ernest Goes to Africa until around 2005 or 2006, and found myself not being too amused by it.

    I do feel a bit sorry for Ernest Rides Again. I read long ago on the Yesterdayland website that the movies were poorly reviewed but made profits because of their small budgets, but then I recently read on wikipedia that Ernest Rides Again didn't make its budget back at the box office (somehow I'm not surprised that this one made less). This one also seems to be the obscure one of the theatrical films. I only remember seeing a promo for the movie on TV once. It seems Doug Walker isn't aware that this one was released in theaters, if he's aware of it at all - He incorrectly says in The Nostalgia Critic's review of Ernest Scared Stupid that ESS was the last Ernest movie released theatrically, and in Doug Walker's "Real Thoughts" video about the Ernest series in general he once again mistakenly says that Ernest Scared Stupid was the last one in theaters (and he never acknowledges ERA). There was a reviewer called The Nostalgia Teen who reviewed the Touchstone-released movies and then said that he wouldn't review the others, I can't remember if the review was specifically for the ones released by Touchstone or if it was the theatricals but forgot this one.

    Additionally, Ernest Rides Again came with a Mr. Bill short,"Mr. Bill Goes to Washington". I assume it was included in the theatrical release as well as the home video. I wonder if the general public reception for that short is better than the general opinion of Ernest Rides Again.
     
  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's just you, I think the later Ernest movies (which were TV movies as opposed to the earlier theatrical ones) are often panned by viewers. Personally, I didn't mind either ERNEST RIDES AGAIN or ERNEST GOES TO AFRICA - they weren't great, but they weren't too bad. ERNEST IN THE ARMY was pretty meh. Again, the theatrical movies released by Touchstone tend to get more praise, and I think rightfully so: they have better production values, they include other characters from the TV show (well, mainly Chuck and Bobby), and they just have better stories. ERNEST GOES TO JAIL is often considered the best Ernest movie (maybe after ERNEST SAVES CHRISTMAS), and it is really good: Jim Varney really got to do a lot as both Ernest and Felix Nash. Funnily enough, some guy who looks like Mike Rowe has been robbing banks lately, which makes me think they ought to do a MIKE ROWE GOES TO JAIL, lol.
     
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I found this special on YouTube:



    It's interesting how in Ernest Goes to Splash Mountain, everybody pronounces Ernest's last name differently from how it gets pronounced in movies. I know there's some names that are said differently from person to person (for example, I've heard Joe Flaherty's last name pronounced differently from different people), maybe they didn't work on pronunciation. I believe this special has one instance where they say his last name in front of him and Ernest doesn't correct him.

    Then again, I feel like most instances of Ernest pronouncing "Worrell" are said by Ernest himself (though several characters pronounce it in Ernest Scared Stupid)... And yet I don't think he refers to his own last name in this special.
     
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    So the theme song for HEY VERN, IT'S ERNEST! says that the show has, "a storl and a moral." Okay, despite the disjointed and non-linear format of the show, each episode has a theme, so I can see where the "story" comes from, but I haven't picked up on any "morals" from this show, and for the life of me, I wouldn't be able to figure them out if I tried.
     
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Maybe I asked before, but in Ernest Goes to Jail, how are Reuben and Nash supposed to be having a phone conversation? Did Nash call the jail and ask for Reuben (maybe using a different voice or name), or did Reuben happen to know the number he could reach Nash at (when neither of them knew before Nash got out that Ernest works at a bank)?

    And there's that early scene where Nash confronts an inmate about money he needs. Why would the inmate need the money and how could he have been expected to make the money back? I know prisoners can make money doing certain prison jobs, but I think I've read that the money isn't that much. What could he have needed that he had to borrow from Nash, and why would getting the money back be that big a deal? I guess you can purchase some things in prison, don't know if there's many options, but I've also heard that essentials like food and medication are provided for free.

    Yeah, these most likely follow rule of drama and movie logic that we may not be able to really know the answers to. But now that I think about it, there is one more thing to ask (that might be easier to determine, or maybe harder).

    At the beginning, after Chuck and Bobby find out that the drilling sound they hear is Ernest trying to start up a vacuum/mopping device, Chuck tells Ernest that he'll let it slide because "you're one of us and you work at the bank". So how was Ernest one of them besides the fact that they work at the same place? Could it be both seem to have similar intelligence (though Chuck isn't so goofy and has a more respectable job)? Could it be because they are close friends, neighbors, and Chuck drives Ernest to work and home? Could Chuck have just been being redundant with what he said? Also, Chuck's yelling at Ernest could have just been for Ernest's safety (as he could have mistakenly been shot by Bobby), but could Ernest have gone to jail for it? Ernest wasn;t really breaking a law or trying to pull a trick on the cops, but it seems Chuck decides not to arrest him as if he still could have.
     
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Regarding the phone call, I found that to be a bit curious myself, but I'm also curious about after the switch, how Nash was able to convince the rest of the jury of Reuben's innocence, because when they deliver their verdict to the judge, they're clearly intimidated by him, so what kind of method of intimidation did he use to convince them? Even the judge seemed suspicious of the not guilty verdict.

    As for Chuck, Bobby, and Ernest, unless it's just because they work at the same bank, I think it could also be assumed that when Chuck says Ernest is, "one of us," could be because Ernest is an after-hours employee like Chuck and Bobby are.

    But what makes the most curious about this movie? Why is it after the switch, suddenly all of the prison guards wear pink uniforms and the lighting inside the prison is pink as well?
     
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    One possibility I just thought of would be that maybe Reuben forced Ernest to give him a number where he could reach Nash. Of course Reuben doesn't seem that threatening to Ernest until after Nash's phone call, where he informs him that he works at a bank and promises him some money if he can keep the rest of the jail from finding out (and Ernest isn't even intimidated by his threats until he brings up that Nash could harm other people in his life).

    For a long time, I thought it was lucky for Nash that as soon as he left jury duty Chuck got his attention to drive him to work and home, allowing him to know where Ernest lives and works, but if Ernest had identification on him, then Nash could have looked at that to know where he lives, and Ernest likely had something at home to inform him of where he works (and if he didn't show up, his boss might have called him).

    It wasn't until I watched the movie recently that I realized the point of the arm wrestling scene, where Nash and another inmate arm wrestled over who got to rule the prison. But they really settled this kind of thing with arm wrestling, as opposed to something more physical or dangerous? And Lyle is able to visually threaten the opponent so that "Nash" would still win, I guess Lyle should be the one running prison.
     


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