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Brian Henson update on JHC's theatrical sequels

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by Phillip, May 7, 2006.

  1. Tim

    Tim Well-Known Member

    "Dark Crystal II", "Labrynth II", "Muppet Show II", Fraggles II"..Didn't Mr. Henson used to have ORIGINAL ideas?

    Oh, I forgot-this is BRIAN and not Jim we're discussing.

    Now it makes sence..

    Can't wait for "Jack & The Beanstalk II"
  2. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input, Muppet Matt and GelfingWaldo.Can you let me know the manufactuer? Is it Saban(spelling?).
  3. crazed gonzo fa

    crazed gonzo fa Well-Known Member

    Any one know anything new about "Dark Crystal 2"?
  4. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo Well-Known Member

  5. Muppet Matt

    Muppet Matt Well-Known Member

    I think the tag says "Nanco". I'm not sure though because it is pretty small print.
  6. crazed gonzo fa

    crazed gonzo fa Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your help GelflingWaldo! But now I'm confused: is the sequeal coming out late or early 2007? Also is there any kind of preview of the art for the manga or anmie series? One more thing, do you have any connections to JHC or Brian Froud? If so tell them I'm on my hands and knees, begging them for just one more movie picture.
  7. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour Well-Known Member

    it would be really cool if they made the Labyrinth into a tv series just my 2 cents.
  8. angelforlife

    angelforlife New Member

    Took the words right out of my mouth.

    Honestly, I don't think a sequel should be done. Why ruin a good thing? -If- it were done it should be done the proper way, involving all the remaining minds it took to create it - Jones, Froud, and Bowie. Even then if you read some of the texts containing any Labyrinth information there's some contrasting views from all parties that were involved so without Jim Henson who really had it together, I don't think the same world can be created well.
  9. MrsWembly

    MrsWembly Well-Known Member

    Maybe they have plans to release Labyrinth in 3D into theatres....like they are doing with A Nightmare Before Christmas. Just a thought. :confused:
  10. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    ...for Labrynth, don't forget a key creator. THough he's a little busy these days what with Indy IV & 2 Star Wars tv shows.

    Why doesn't the MHC take a productive cue from Lucasfilm? Or Brian Henson for that matter! lol!
  11. movielad

    movielad Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately I'm not keen on sequels. I'm particularly less impressed with the Dark Crystal and Fraggle Rock movies too. I've a nasty feeling that with most of these projects, the visual effects are going to get in the way of telling a decent story. It always seems to be the case in these things that 'papa's got a brand new spanking renderfarm and workstations that can do anything'. VFX companies these days are almost factory-producing work for film and television. That's not to say there's no artistic involvement in it - there is, but the number of people and facilities working on any one project has substantially increased!

    For example, when they made the Dark Crystal it was all-on art, with only a small crew, and all the time it was being inventive. Likewise for Labryinth. That for me was true art! The work that went into those productions felt as though people really loved doing what they're doing. You couldn't buy off the shelf puppets or animatronic components. Even the optical processes had an element of artistry and skill in them.

    I'm beginning to find that puppeteers wearing blue/green suits and those against green screen and being composited out of the frame is becoming increasingly boring. It's been done hundreds of times before. I hate green screen and blue screen stuff. It's more about post-production these days than actual filming! We might as well ditch the puppets for the Dark Crystal sequel and animate everything to save money on the camera and blue screen hire!

    Besides which, I would prefer to remember and re-watch the original stuff rather than have the Henson organisation spend the money and potentially make things worse. I don't wish to sound like a pesimist in this regard, but I found their original movies and programming such as MirrorMask to be infinitely superior to anything they've tried to follow up with their previous projects.

    Sometimes I'd prefer things to be left alone and let us remember the characters for what they were and not trying to re-do, re-imagine or milk the franchise for all it's worth simply because the technology has improved or that they think they can do something original with it again.

    I want the Henson organisation to go back to being creative and inventive - but not to rehash old concepts again just because the technology can allow them do so.

  12. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    So is this basically an anti-technology rant? I mean on one hand you say you want it left alone, then you're saying that you want them to go back to being creative.

    Technology is just a tool. Much of today's effects tools are is still in relative infancy. I hear what you're saying to some extent (I'm an old school Star Wars fan), and I think you mean this; a good story and talent (performance and direction) should come first.
  13. movielad

    movielad Well-Known Member

    Yeah, actually pretty much. Computers can do great things, but the CG industry is pretty much doing the same thing over and over again. This is why I think Jim Henson's Creature Shop in London failed - it was trying to match what other Soho/London based FX houses were doing and ultimately the market became too croweded and competitive and something had to be done. That said, what JHCS had and what other FX houses didn't was a decent animatronics/model shop along with emerging realtime CG character generation. But everybody pretty much goes down the CG route these days all far too easily.

    CG tools are improving in leaps and bounds. We're capable of some amazing stuff these days - particularly character animation. The problem is that because it's getting all too samey, I think that CG artists need to be let loose a bit more to do their own things (like MirrorMask - Dave McKean's approach was fantastic!). More physical effects are appreciated too.


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