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[newsmanfan]

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All good points. My point of despair lately, though, is that NO news outlet on a national, mainstream sort of scale is covering these or other troubling issues. Big money is big money. I hate the way certain stations (cough cough Faux News couch cough) keep throwing the word socialism out as though this is akin to baby-raping. I can't express words strong enough on this family-friendly forum to indicate how GREAT an idea REAL, balanced, socialism, with built-in checks to avoid system abuse or corruption, would be for this nation! Other, more civilized countries have socialized systems and are MUCH better off for it -- look at the Scandinavian nations, for example. Their medical and educational systems are fabulous...so what if their richest pay huge taxes? They have peace, and their citizens are healthy and well informed! How is this a BAD thing?

I'm just tired of spin. From either side.

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[Drtooth]

I hate the way certain stations (cough cough Faux News couch cough) keep throwing the word socialism out as though this is akin to baby-raping.

I hate how they define corporations paying their share of taxes, especially ones that got us into this situation due to their gluttonous, hedonistic practices, How is the government giving money, hand outs, welfare and all these things that if they gave to the poor would be considered socialism. We ARE a socialist country! Corporate socialism. We have all these guys complaining about how big government is meddling with business, and the only meddling I see is the fact the government has to bribe companies to do what they're supposed to be doing anyway... only for said companies not to do them! And what really gets me is the right goes about how Obama took tainted money from the banks and BP and all this, but God forbid we get campaign finance reform so NO ONE can accept tainted money.

And I love how they're so easy to blame the Dems for deregulation that they didn't NOT vote for anyway and blame them for the bailouts, but when we want to tighten regulations so they can make money the honest way, that's meddling and killing capitalism.

 

[newsmanfan]

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What?? You mean you're NOT in favor of gutting the EPA so it can never ever make sure the coal plants and oil drillers clean up after themselves? You....you anti-patriot, you! How DARE you want clean air, water and food for our grandkids! What the frog's WRONG with you? Don't you LOVE big money? Not loving big money and slaving every day for minimum wage and suffering without healthcare and your kids never graduating high school...why...why that's Unamerican!!

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[Drtooth]

You know what gets me about government regulations? Companies are supposed to do this stuff themselves. They're supposed to test their products for lead, clean up after themselves, and all that. The fact the government has to make rules to make them do what they should be doing in the first place proves 2 things... companies are like children that have to be watched constantly or they'll burn the house down AND that companies will go to extremes to make sure they can cut their corners so big boss man can get an even bigger paycheck he doesn't deserve.

The cage keeps the people protected from the lion and it keeps the lion protected from the people. Lack of regulations leads to dangerous products, and dangerous products lead to costly recalls, very costly lawsuits, and above all, TERRIBLE PR nightmares they have to spend their way out of. Look at the Mattel toy recalls, the Toyota Recalls, and the BP fiasco. If these people weren't so stupid and greedy, they'd gladly pay the tiny regulation fees, give us a safer product, and wouldn't lose a bundle in the process. But they're SOOOO hadesbent on cutting those corners, they put the public at risk AND wind up losing a LOT more than the savings were worth.

Now they're saying this is killing jobs... HELLO! The only thing killing jobs are these overpaid moron CEO's that have record profits in a recession that refuse to share the wealth by hiring people, thus adding more consumers to buy more things, thus making them more money than they lost hiring people. THAT'S CAPITALISM! But these guys get money from the public, the stockholders, and mostly the government, and instead of hiring, they use it to invest in new ways to cut corners, make lousier products, pay off lobbyist and the government to make sure they can keep cutting corners, and pad their CEO's paycheck with rewards when said CEO runs the company under. Why are so many Americans blind to that?

 

[newsmanfan]

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I wish there was a "heck yeah that post kicks butt" button over and above "like" for that post, Dr Tooth. Gimme felt!

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[beaker]

It's funny, for years people just rolled their eyes at me when I talked about "they", "the powers that be", the "ruling elite". Now even my conservative friends who used to be pro war/pro Bush are now all gaga for Ron Paul, and my liberal friends have woken up to the tricks of Obama and the government. Shoot, now so many of my friends and people I know post nothing but "Occupy" stuff on their facebook or go to rallies. The Occupy phenomenon is probably consistently the biggest story going on right now in America's news cycles...only increasingly(like in Oakland near me) it's getting more out of hand. At least kids are becoming more politically aware.

I just don't even care anymore. The whole world and American society can collapse into chaos next year, I just want no part of it. I want the best for people, but I'd rather volunteer my time being a big brother or helping elderly or at a soup kitchen then carrying protest signs or worrying about this or that. Compared to most the world, Americans are still pretty **** privileged. I plan on traveling abroad next year, should give me some perspective

 

[Drtooth]

It's funny, for years people just rolled their eyes at me when I talked about "they", "the powers that be", the "ruling elite". Now even my conservative friends who used to be pro war/pro Bush are now all gaga for Ron Paul, and my liberal friends have woken up to the tricks of Obama and the government. Shoot, now so many of my friends and people I know post nothing but "Occupy" stuff on their facebook or go to rallies. The Occupy phenomenon is probably consistently the biggest story going on right now in America's news cycles...only increasingly(like in Oakland near me) it's getting more out of hand. At least kids are becoming more politically aware.

The Occupy Stuff I'd like a LOT more if they DIDN'T have to be hippies about it. Drum Circles? Are you kidding me? The Tea party spouts nothing but venomous bile, and that's the reason why they get the respect they do from the media. Maybe the Occupy people need to be a lot angrier, and a lot meaner in their rhetoric.

 

[CensoredAlso]

Maybe the Occupy people need to be a lot angrier, and a lot meaner in their rhetoric.

They'd be playing into the naysayers' hands, giving them proof to say "Look, look, they're about to become violent!"

 

[Drtooth]

They'd be playing into the naysayers' hands, giving them proof to say "Look, look, they're about to become violent!"

Tea Partiers have been reported bring guns to their rallies in cases. i don't know if that's true or not... but their signs are VERY violent. Some extreme members actually idolized the guy who shot that Democrat woman and the overly privilaged hack country musician no one has ever heard of that crashed his private plane into the IRS because they were going after him for not paying taxes.

Besides, the opposition will paint them as violent if they're sleeping and doing nothing, as that's what opposition does. They should at least earn those tear gassing and blunt trauma to war veterans that can't find work. Seriously... At LEAST drop the hippy co-splay crap. No on likes hippies. Not even the left. It makes moderates on the left look like dinks. Drop the dang drum circles already if you want to be taken seriously.

Here's what I don't understand.

Now, I can buy into the fact that there was never any police at the Tea party stuff because those were all corporate sponsored events. Basically that's how I paint the movement... corporations telling the people what's best for them and trying to redefine government so corporations can get even more government cheese to do whatever they want.. But where the heck are the po-po and the brutality when you're going up against the Westboro numbskull nutcases carrying signs that if a brown person was holding, they'd get sent to Gitmo? You know... ones praising 9/11 for punishing us for not stoning gays and stapling granny panties and long dresses on women and pushing them into the kitchen?

Meanwhile, the occupy people are anti-government and corporation for all the right reasons, and get the crap beat out of them for not staying in a small confined space where no one can see or hear them and refusing to move to an even smaller, confined quiet box. How come they're so selective about who gets to look like good guys and who gets to look like crazies? I mean, the Tea Party has Fox news and oil multibillionares on their side... Occupy only has Vermont Hippie ice cream on their side. They can't even get 1920's prude value shop owners to stock a SNL flavor of ice cream!

 

[Drtooth]

I'm just going to bump this and say...

You know what I love about Occupy Wall Street? The fact the very same people who denied claims of bloodlust and anarchy in the Tea Party are now painting the OWS protestors the same way. Politicos ALWAYS love to show their hypocritical colors. But what I really truly love is the same people on the right who were nailing Obama on the bank bailouts must've stopped being angry about that, mainly because that's one of the things the protestors are talking about.

You no doubt have seen once legendary now batcrackers comic book artist Frank Miller's strongly worded P&M fest which translates into a sailor mouthed "Git a hair cut, Hippy." Strong words from someone who wrote of the most legendary "spoiled brat" who took it upon himself to take care of those less fortunate:

Maybe Batman should have stayed home and played Warcraft or went into the military too, eh Millsy?

Again, I have nothing but problems with how they carry themselves, though the fact that there was one case of sexual assault everyone's a rapist now. And a few unauthorized cases of drug usage means they're all doing it. Especially the disenfranchised war vets at those protests. The best thing was the snotty 50 year old nerds that agree with him... some of my favorite responses are...

They want minimum wage increases and that hurts small business (which ones? The ones that can't compete with Wall mart that you guys NEVER shop at or the ones that have to shut down because they can't afford the new rent the bank comes up with?)

The Tea party protests are peaceful ( Of course they are! They have the backing of the same people the other guys are trying to protest and Dick Army. They paid off everyone they had to and rented areas to rally. Why would the police need to tear gas and "nudge" them to death with clubs if the park was rented?)

And my personal favorite, the spoiled brat whining. Yeah, know who's more spoiled than the spoiled brats at OWS? The Neo-Cons who own a crap load of stock and benefit greatly from the corruption.

Seriously, the movement is annoying, I get it. But not half as annoying as the detractors who want to paint it the same way they whined about the left painting their Tea Pity Party. They're EXACTLY the same as the prisoner in the Monty Python movie Life of Brian... someone shackled up by their oppressors and fiercely loyal the oppression. "Nail them up! Nail some sense into them."

Seriously, America's level of Stockholm syndrome is scary. It's apparently evil to want the rich to pay a stunning 4.25% more of taxes? Why is no one pointing to the Kardashians, a group of rich spoiled hos popular only for being rich spoiled hos who have an entire network of TV shows where one of them gets married just to HAVE a TV special and then dump the husband the next day? That's who the OWS people need to vilify... people who make money for being famous for having money who will do anything to get more money. I say, they need to be dealt with Marie Antoinette style. Only instead of their heads in the guillotine, it's an extra 4.25 percent of their income the gets chopped off.