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Concern about Rowlf

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by GuySmileyfan, Dec 19, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Split up Pepe and Rizzo. Pair Pepe with Scooter and Rowlf with Rizzo. I think there are new comedic moments to be had and it helps introduce the classic characters along side the newer ones. Plus - Muppets do best in pairs. ;)
  2. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Agreed. I think that would be some great pairings AND it would put the unfortunate backgrounders with the prominent front runners--making them front runners too.

    I think Pepe and Scooter would be HYSTERICAL! We already know Rowlf and Rizzo are!
  3. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Well how hard is it for people to do a little research on Rowlf and Scooter to learn about these characters? I'm assuming people have access to a computer and can use the internet. Hardcore muppet fans know majority if not all the muppt characters while casual fans know Kermit, Piggy, Animal and maybe Fozzie and Beaker. (Not including Sesame Street or anything else either) I've been reading comments on youtube from all the pre teen/teenage crowd on the Studio DC specials. Most dont know the muppets except maybe two or three names. (I don't know if they care to know them either. I don't know if they care for the muppets, to be honest.)

    In my opinion, the only way to get Rowlf, Scooter, and the Electric Mayhem back to how their status was in the 70's and 80's is to push these characters to the front as quick as possible, but not in small doses.

    Fans have been getting small doses of these characters for the last 19 years. They'll see Rowlf here, have Janice or Floyd speak a line there, and that's it. How much longer is it going to take? It's kind of like rooting for your favorite sports team who hasn't made the playoffs in 20 years or more, yet fans keep on saying maybe next time. The writers and muppeters have to budge sometime and move to the next step. I still don't know if either party knows how to get there, because if they did, they would have got there sometime back 5 or 10 years ago.

    But we shall see.
  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    In my experience, there are always two types of kids. The most visible group that only cares about the popular yet superficial teen idol stuff. I'm not surprised they're not up on the Muppets, or care to be. Then there are the less visible group of kids who enjoy things outside of what society tells them they're supposed to like. It's always been that way and will continue to be. I'm still skeptical about about trying to reimagine the Muppets to fit them into the flavor of the month.
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well again, it's always been that way. I'm not entirely confident that putting them in this kind of exposure will be beneficial (if the youtube comments by normal Disney fans are any indication). Pre-teens are sometimes too fixed in their ways of what they like (no offence to pre-teens, hehe). It might be better to start younger.
  6. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I don't want to see the Muppets undergo this gender specialization that has been mentioned (since it's horribly stereotypical), but I can see how it could be done.

    Boys: Gonzo's the daredevil and the one interested in weird stuff. Scooter could return to his geek persona. Pepe and Rizzo ... dirty minds. Kermit and Fozzie are the shy guy and the class clown. Piggy, Annie Sue, (and with any luck, Skeeter) and such would be "just the girlfriends" of the boys.

    Girls: The female characters mentioned above are a group (sorority, club, whatever). Their stuff would be slightly more character-driven and less action than the boys' stuff.

    It would be disgusting to think about, but the sad thing is, I bet it would work.
  7. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I'm not saying I want that. I'm just saying that if Disney is segregating its audience, this would probably be something they try.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I say, as much as I like Pepe and Rizzo, seems like they only really do Pepe and Rizzo moments in the new projects. I would too, love to see them paired with other characters. I'm not saying Bring back Seymore or something... but I think Gonzo and Rizzo were a much stronger duo. I think Pepe can play off any other character besides Rizzo. I'd love for him to hang around Fozzie trying to perfect his act, having Fozzie mimic Pepe's speech patterns, trying to repeat a joke after him.
  9. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    Well, lets face it, [Oh by the way, this pertains to the thought of Scooter and Rowlf dangeling off the plane]. Would those two really do it? Those two have common sense. Plus, there is the fact, Rowlf with legs disturbs the crud out of me. He's better off as a shaggy brown blob. But when I saw his legs in Rocky Mountain Holiday, they bugged me. Its like they butchered a Fozzie full body puppet and made the fur darker.

    Rowlf and Scooter have more sense than that. Plus, The Mayhem Band followed Miss Piggy to the tropics.

    I would have enjoyed with Rowlf went with them, since Rowlf is...sorta down with the crazyness, and he's the type of guy who'd be ****** sure [dunno if I can say that...] to make sure a lil girls letters to Saint Nick.
  10. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Rowlf barely enjoyed (and that's being nice to Rizzo) skateboarding, much less hanging off a plane. I think he'd much rather be cargo than do something like that.

    I would see Rowlf avoiding the whole letter drama by going early in the morning, dropping off the letter, and going out for his morning walk. :sympathy:
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's one of the few problems I had... that plot point was pretty meh... seemed like they were trying to take a short cut through the plot due to time constraints. I half pictured the muppets being put in pet care crates and tossed out the back of the plane like in GMC.... that would have worked a little better....
  12. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    Like Ol Brown ears would do that too? Pfft. Rowlf is possibly one to fight for the right of dogs to be treated like people, much like Brian Griffin.

    Scooter? In a pet care crate? You sick sick person! :grouchy:

    Like I said. Rowlf wouldn't put up with the cargo hold. He'd want a seat in a person chair. Fight for Doggy Rights. Rowlf is more human than dog if you think about it... And he didn't even know how a skateboard was held, let alone enjoy it.

    As I said, Rowlf, much like Brian Griffin, are possibly the only two dogs that aren't portrayed to much as dogs, or erm...stupid[Goofy, Scooby's brother...] and actually speak normally[ Astro, Scooby, Pluto...]. They sometimes take offense to things.
    Brian rarely shows he's a dog as much as Rowlf. Rowlf's one to show lil signs of it, but sometimes goes nutts... He bit Jimmy Dean...Twice! Both Brian and Rowlf would ask for a seat in the plane, not on the wing or cargo.
  13. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Lanmango Number 2 ... Rowlf isn't Brian (who I don't know) or Dogbert (who I do :D). I know they would ALL rather be on the plane ... but that wasn't possible.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Well we do know Scooter is just one Kermit away from go-go cage dancing! ;)
  15. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    Brian Griffin from Family guy. The smartest Cartoon dog ever I beleive.
  16. Probably. But your forgetting, rowlf has no problem being "doggish" now and then.

    Remember his conversation with Sprocket? I think he'd want to sit in a seat, yea, but He'd still probably be willing to accept a crate if the alternative was hanging on the wing. He's kind've one of the few muppets that seems to realize things can get you hurt.
  17. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Not only that, but if Lamango were correct, then Rowlf would have rather died than run a kennel in MTM. He seems depressed about it, but he DOES it. Rowlf knows the score. Rowlf may want dogs in general to be treated with respect, but he's also not so ashamed of his species that he demands we all treat them like humans.
  18. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    Never said Rowlf was ashamed of it. He'd gladly bark at you if you did something to him first. Heck, he'll bite you too, got it, Jimmy Dean! :grouchy:
  19. pattywack

    pattywack New Member

    I honestly think they're really trying to build Rowlf back up. And I can't wait for it. As others have said, you can't just suddenly have a character back and as much a part of the gang as they used to be like that *clicks fingers*. It takes time, but they seem to be doing it.

    Wow, I really can't word things well today.
  20. zns

    zns Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the people over at Henson know just how special Rowlf. I honestly doubt that they will let anything bad happen to him. He was, after all, the first Muppet to gain as much personality as Kermit. I'm sure we'll see more of him in things to come. :sympathy::sympathy::sympathy:

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