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Crazy Muppet Treasure Island DVD Review

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by mupcollector1, Aug 18, 2012.

  1. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2443828#showReviews

    LOL I was both in shock and laughing at this crazy review that I found when looking up the new Muppet merchandise on Toys R US' web site. If fact I complaint to the website because...well look where this beautiful movie is catatorized on the site. That's pretty sad. I personally loved this movie. Written by Jerry Juhl, Directed by Brian Henson. Beautiful Movie. One of the best things The Muppets have ever done after Jim passed.

    Anyway I figure this review was so ridiculous that I felt the need to bring it up, even for a laugh. This person makes the movie sound gruesome. She said there's a swear in the movie, all I remember is H*LL. And come on, it's not like it's first time The Muppets said that world. lol Kermit on the CBS pitch tape 1975, SNL Land of Gorch, Mac Davis episode thinging "It's so hard to be humble", even Janice's line in Happiness Hotel in The Great Muppet Caper. lol

    All I could think of is Rizzo's satirical line in the movie "He Died, And this is suppose to be a kids movie." lol That sums up the satire on the stereotypical view, straight from the rat's mouth. lol
  2. Hubert Well-Known Member

    First off, that DVD categorization is pathetic. Just plain pathetic.

    Second off, where is there a curse word in the movie? Because I've watched that thing a bajillion times and never heard it...

    And finally, I was always a bit surprised that MTI did garner a G rating, since it even had a sword fight and stuff. Another example of how the rating system has changed over the years.
  3. Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Hey, nobody ever said the Muppet were strictly kids' stuff. In fact, Jim Henson made sure he reached all age groups. And going back to what Hubert said, it is interesting that this movie got a G rating. Makes you wonder what sort of a rating a lot of older Muppet stuff would get nowadays.
  4. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Somebody needs to leave their bubble is all I gotta say. :p
  5. KermieBaby47 Well-Known Member

  6. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I always considered The Muppets to be classic character slapstick comedy. Kind of like a revival to the Golden age of entertainment like The Marx Brothers where you can be funny and relate to adults with no limitations and still no need for obvious obscurity to make your point. Even Jim Henson said in the 80s how Executives and Networks weren't taking responsablity to how the media influences our culture. Which I totally agree. Even reading the rules of the FCC, rule #3 says that Obscurity and Profanity is forbidden unless presented in an intellectual, political, scientific, or artsy manner which totally makes sense to me. But look what we have now...:rolleyes: (I got to start playing with these Muppet smiles more on there, there's so many new ones and they are so adorable. lol)
    Even watching the classic Muppet movies and The Muppet Show, more and more I'm getting all the adult situations and hidden messages which is amazing. I can see how someone could walk into Wal-Mart or whatever and see a cartoon or puppet face and not think much of it because unfortunately this culture isn't as artsy savy as they were centuries ago when puppets and cartoons did more political satire and painters like Dali Amazed people, even Shakespear. To The Golden Age of the Nickelodeon, there was no rating system and films had talent and class. Even creative control too. I've heard millions of times from people who say It's not about art, it's about making money blah blah blah. Even Jim had to fight the system to bring out great art. Even Mel Brooks was rejected to direct his first movie The Producers, but he took a pay cut just to direct and make art. A quality in the mainstream which is very rare today.

    I'm glad there's message forums like this, it's not the same as actual social groups but at least I'm taking to like minded people :)
  7. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    To be fair, forget the fact that there are fuzzy Muppets on the case, why would someone expect to buy ANYTHING that says, "Treasure Island" on it and NOT have violence, swearing and someone dying in it. Is she not at ALL literalaturally educated?

    However, when I was a kid, my parents watched the movie before they let me see it, and decided I should wait a couple of years because of the warrior-pigs and the swearing. So its strange to, once again, blame the movie and the packaging for the woman's child seeing something she felt was unfit.
  8. Hubert Well-Known Member

    "Yo ho ho! We're off to find the tresure! Let's go! We have to go 10 paces! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10! Here's a box! Is it in the box? No...but here's a clue! It says to go 3 paces left. 1, 2, 3! Should we go through this door? Yeah! Look, there's a big X on the wall! X marks the spot! Let's dig through it and find the treasure! Yaay! We found it! Good job counting and digging today!"
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  9. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Spaceballs was rated PG and has at least one "S" and one "F." Stuff that you can barely get away with in a PG-13 movie now.

    But to say that, if I can even remember them saying that biblical term, they used it in the biblical sense, not a "What the &&&& is going on here?" the case where that actually is a cuss word.

    Really, either this woman was the grand queen of the prudes or thinking she was buying Elmo's Video Fun volume 329. Either way, idiot.

    Though, to be fair, given the subject matter of the book, this was a pretty dark Muppet movie, considering someone got shot in the opening number. Not to mention the multiple references to death, and as we all know, we don't want kids to know about death until it hits someone close to them (paraphrase Homer Simpson). :rolleyes:
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  10. Hubert Well-Known Member

    I'm beginning to think that they need to start putting disclaimers on movies that say "If your child is exposed to content not suitable to their age, we are not to blame..."
  11. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    "Oh, **** Jim, you know I couldn't shoot you."

    But the UK version does have "How does she bloody do that?" redubbed to "Blooming!" (Thank goodness.)
  12. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think a more suitable disclaimer would be "Muppets are not all Sesame Street, stop trying to buy everything with a Muppet on it because your 3 year old thinks they're all Elmo."

    Or "Your children aren't made of glass, and will be exposed to MUCH worse in the real world than anything in the entertainment world, even the Saw movies."
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  13. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Isn't it amazing how parents in our culture today still think of the television set is the babysitter? If a child were to watch something that had adult content they don't understand fully, the adult should be right there to explain it in a very nice educational way instead of taking off with the car doing whatever. Trust me, I've got some bad parents in my neighborhood which little 6 year olds throwing dangerious things at each other while the parents either took off with the car or watching tv, and I've seen plenty of times very obese mothers screaming and swearing at their children without leaving their door. (Horay yelling solves every social problem! lol (sarcasm) lol) I've seem some crazy stuff in my neighborhood relating to little kids getting hurt when the parents don't care, once I've seen this kid under 6 playing with some kind of powertool (real, not a toy) and the mother shouts "YOU HANDLE THAT RIGHT OR I'M NOT BUYING YOU THAT VIDEO GAME TODAY!". I can just ramble on and on about all the crazy junk I've seen. To summarize it, you rarely seen a happy non-dysfunctional family. It's really sad. My mother was the only good parent in my family and my dad...too grim to mention in this thread. When I become a parent, I want to take that operationally to be a parent who would love to do fun things and educate their children, share literature, and help them in times of need and be as emotional supportive as possible.

    But yeah I totally agree with you Dr. Tooth 100%, every single time someone sees a Muppet or a media style puppet in that matter, they think it's Elmo. I remember Sesame before Elmo, but I won't get into that right now. lol Like I mentioned, this culture is full of philistines. People who reject art and intelligence all together and rely on modern day brain numming tv instead of watching Discovery or reading a book.

    Could you imagine decades from now, some parent going into a Salvation Army store or a $5.00 DVD in at Wal-Mart and finding South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut or Beavis & Butt-head Do America and thinking "Eh, something for the kids to give me some free time" then discovering it watching it with their kids, they probably learned some new dialog, and the raging parent goes on Amazon.com reviews and starts ranting (There's plenty of bad reviews on Amazon). lol Oh Man. Personally those two shows (in this case the films) are my all time favorite. lol :p
    Ironcly similar to the plot of the SP movie, there's an early South Park episode called "Death" that satirizes on how parents complain instead or raising their children. It's my #1 favorite episode. lol

    I also like to reference the Dinosaurs episode SMOO! (Could we say this on Muppet Central? lol couldn't resist lol) Great episode and it satirizes profanity on television and how Baby Sinclair learns a new word and how Earl fights the network to the point where he ignores everything else and the cheif elders decides to ban the two main swear words from Pangea. Then the other parents go over bored and inspire the government to ridiculously censor everything. "The number 2 will be banned and now it's 1, 3, 4, 5. Sue is now Milly, No one should ever discuss or question this list, etc." Really Funny episode.

    Sure in the Golden Age kids when go to the movies themselves but there's nothing wrong with that, they also spent quality time with their parents,

    Like I mentioned the TV is the official parent these days. It's sad that there's no parent to help put it into context and just say "Why? Because I said so." instead of answering their questions...Sorry, I'm starting to ramble lol You get the idea though. lol
  14. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Some people just live in bubble a and refuse to ever leave it. What can I say? I'd much rather have my kids exposed to Muppets then Dora. *shivers* That is is if I had kids. :o
  15. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The difference is, and it is the one point I'll give that person, the MTI movie had a G rating, and I'd consider it almost dark enough for a PG rating, but not quite. But South Park has a hard R rating on the back, I don't think anyone is that off the ball enough to confuse it for a kid's program. Especially since SP and B&B have some notoriety behind them. And unlike a certain family of Yellow people who live in Springfield, they didn't aggressively market either shows to kids. Simpsons do have a history of kid's clothing, video games only kids would tolerate, and juice boxes and stuff.

    But I agree with everything you said. Television shouldn't be a babysitter. That's why we have inferior preschool kid's programming these days (Curious George, Dino Train, Sid and Pajamanimals excluded of course). I know there's a difference between having to sit them in front of television to get a load of laundry done and parking them their all day to have martinis with the other well to do moms. Personally, I don't like how Sesame Street is marketed towards babies since they can't appreciate the show if they can't imprint on it yet.
  16. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Something interesting though: since things like MTI would probably garner a PG rating nowadays, I wonder if maybe at some point MPAA needs to somehow re-rate movies so that newer movie ratings and older ones are in sync. It would cause a slew of confusion, but I wonder if it could be on the horizon someday.
  17. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Then the only thing G rated would probably be Barney. There are4 a LOT of very dark G rated films out there... Disney's Hunchback, no matter how kid friendly and watered down it was from the original version was decidedly dark (even I think it should have been PG). But the Lion King, if rerated would get a solid PG... heck, I don't think ANY Disney movie would keep a G rating... maybe Pooh. The G rating is dying due to extreme prudishness and fear that every animated movie with a G rating is somehow going to give them the "Diabetus." Yet PG is so meaningless now, it's impossible not to get one, and they even force in "rude humor" to get a PG. But PG now contains things that might disturb 2 year olds that shouldn't be seeing movies anyway. Because ALL kids are 2 year olds and incredibly "impressionable," read Too Dumb to Live, unlike adults.
  18. Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    This is why I love Japan...That is all.
  19. mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think people are too careful about movies now a days. Look at the Golden Age of movies, kids would take the bus themselves or whatnot and pay 10 cents to see a double feature and awesome violent cartoons. They can sit through a James Cagney Gangster movie and not become a criminal with guns. But now a days there's so many funny dark gags taken out of Looney Tunes and Tex Avery cartoons and something like Angels with Dirty Faces would probably get a TV14 rating now a days. I think it has something to do with culture and some kind of social science. I heard in Europe they have uncensored TV even during the day when kids watch it and they're not effected by it. Even the 40s generation, they didn't end up criminals. But if you tried to show something like that (well they do on cartoon network and AMC (do they still show old films)) And I mean UNCUT, they would be offended. Yes it was a different time, there were a few prejudices and grim gags but it was a product of it's time. Perhaps the problem with the modern culture is audience education. Sometimes one needs to be educated to understand something otherwise they would be full of negative emotions of confusion, fear, anger, hatred, protest and sometimes people can't control themselves or which not to understand what they are confused about or the subject matter of what they were trying to do. Plus there's a bit of confusion in some people with fiction vs reality. But there's is one thing that I can say something positive about this situation, The New Three Stooges Movie. I loved it. It was very true to the actual Stooges, no holds back. Then before the credits (which most people conform to leaving the theater unlike me lol) the filmmakers come out and explain that everything was fiction, no one got hurt and to not try stuff like this at home.

    But what's sad is that certain things are a problem now but wasn't back them. In terms of violence and slapstick comedy.

    But yeah I do somewhat agree with rating systems to be updated. Perhaps a more advanced one. Like the NC17 films I've seen (Meet The Feebles, a certain Trey Parker film which name I can't mention on this form lol) were more R rated now a days. Even Fritz the Cat is more R rated today then X when it was originally released in 1972. But yeah, there should be more specific ones for certain age groups. Like movies for little kids to go see, and G of course by it's original definition is general audiences. Like I went to see MTI when I was under 8. That was so exciting! Though when Muppet Christmas Carol came out, I was too young to see that, Even though I was a Muppet fan since God knows when, it was Statler's head as the doorknocker that scared me. In fact I was afraid to watch that movie until early high school. lol Then I realized. It must be just a close up lense, it's just Statler's head with a loud moan and the door is a little rubbery. lol Didn't they have to cut out the whole Scrooge heartache song when originally released due to a worry that kids might find it boring or might not understand that adult situation or something like that then it was put back in when the VHS came out? I heard or read that somewhere.

    But yeah, there should be a rating like there is on video games now a days like Early Childhood or something like that. But it's sad that there's barely anything that parents can enjoy with their kids. And that I believe was what Jim Henson tried his best to do with a lot of his work, even the Muppet sketches and songs on Sesame Street.

    Speaking of The Simpsons, I remember when that show was good. Sure there was lots of satire in it but like Dinosaurs, there was a lot of moral values. Even shows like South Park mainly aimed at adults has it's share of morality and philosophy and it kind of reminded me of Jim's quote about how me believed in the media on how it should be an influence for good. Totally agree. And we need more of that, especially in the days of Reality TV shows and Celebrities getting into trouble. Oh Brother. lol

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