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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Phillip, Oct 30, 2012.
So, will this make getting the SW ep of TMS easier?
I was initially apprehensive, but I think Disney could actually make fans happy. There are countless Star Wars fans who became filmmakers because of their love for the original trilogy. Disney would have their pick of talented people to helm a new trilogy in the classic spirit of Lucas' creation. That is, if they go that route. Let's be honest. They gave an animation director carte blanche to make John Carter without much meddling. That didn't work out, but their gamble with Whedon's Avengers sure did. Then there are the claims about the Muppets set. Who knows what really went on there, but Disney revived the Muppets to a level not seen in decades.
Lucas, like Jim Henson, understands where his family will be well cared for and they're in good company with Marvel, Pixar, the Muppets, Nightmare Before Christmas, ABC, ESPN, Mickey and friends.
Now, what will Disney do with ILM? That's a really big question nobody has asked. Oh, and how Donald Duck will feel about Howard the Duck...
...AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Head for the hills! They'll be wantin' our souls next!
In all seriousness, I like Disney as much as the next animation history nerd/Muppet fan, but this just seems...excessive. If they have the $4.05 billion they're spending to buy LucasFilm, do they really need another company to make money for them?
To be fair, the John Carter problem was due to their marketing department. Why they didn't make any connection to the "Of Mars" title or Edgar Rice Burrows is beyond anyone's scope.
However, with Marvel and Star Wars, they KNOW that heck would be to pay if they screwed up. Lucas isn't safe from that, and we ALL know that. Considering there are still a bunch of predetermined rights with Marvel movies and TV shows, so I'm sure Clone Wars and the rest will go on as planned.
I do NOT have much confidence in Star Wars episode 7. They're trying to shoot for a 2015 date, and that means getting a Star Wars film out in 2 years. Who's writing the script? Is it an original idea Lucas had, or will it be something they made up entirely? Will they try harder to steer clear of wooden directing and crazy, borderline racist accents? How will this stand up to the last series of three movies? And how are they going to make us care to see more Star Wars films? Star Wars is a great series of movies, and everyone pretty much likes them, but the story is also finished, with the exception of the various different chapters in the expanded universe. Will those be part of this film, or will they be thrown aside?
In many cases, such as this, it's not so much they're trying to make more money for themselves (though, that COULD be a motive), but quite often, what this is is a case of a bigger company buying another company and its physical and intellectual properties, simply for the sake of owning them.
EDIT: I am curious about one thing though... does this thread really warrant a sticky?
Haha, That's an interesting thought.
But that brings up a good point, because now, not only does Disney have the rights to Star Wars and Indy, they have access to ILM, one of the major animation/cg effects studios out there right now. I'm pretty sure that they'll meld together with their own studio(s) and Pixar and "trade secrets" as it were.
So Will We FINALLY See The Muppet Show Season 4 On DVD!!!
John Carter's failure was not of marketing. Sure, the marketing was awful. It's a difficult picture to advertise. However, the reason that the movie tanked was due to its being overlong and poorly written. They tried to tell 5 stories in one movie without establishing any meaningful character connections. The director was not ready for live action. I bring up Carter because Disney really wanted its own Star Wars brand. That didn't work out so they bought the original!
Apparently the blueprint for a trilogy has been present for a very long time. There are decades of material and official fiction to draw from. It appears they're taking the story structure from Lucas and getting talented people to write it. Two and a half years is plenty of time to make a movie. The fact that this is Episode 7 means that they'll continue what went before. Hey, they'll probably even...ahem...release the original trilogy edit cleaned up on Blu-Ray! That's something Lucas would never do.
Lucas already kind of sullied the franchise with his CG Clone Wars program (not to be confused with Tartakovsky's brilliant traditionally animated vignettes). I have little doubt that Disney will try to steer this back to its classic roots. Of course, there will be a lot of CG. Let's hope the mix in some practical puppet effects too.
Clone Wars has gotten much better (so I'm told). They've even devoted episodes to salvaging Jar Jar Binks as a character. Not even Lucas himself did that. I can't say I like the look in CGI, but after that rocky pilot movie, the show found its direction and has become far superior to the prequels. So I'm told. I have to start watching those more. But as I always say, instead of just pasting CGI on top of live action, make the whole thing CGI.
But as for a 7th movie, I don't think we really need it. That's kinda why the film series went backwards instead of forwards. Someone somewhere on Cracked explained it. The film series ended with Darth Vader and the emperor's defeat. They do not show the inevitable vacuum of power that leads to still surviving sanctions of the Empire trying to take back over and another pair of Darths rising. We're not supposed to think about how hard the Rebels would have to work to get the galaxy working and how difficult it's going to be for them to restore order in the absence of the Empire. There are various things like that the expanded universe takes care of, but I don't think anyone wants to see as a film. The Rebels got rid of Vader and the Emperor, and everything looks hopeful with a happy ending. That's how a film series should end.
If anyone here is worried that Disney will mess up Star Wars, Don't be!
Disney bought Marvel and didn't mess them up, actually, they created better movies than Marvel was releasing before they were bought (Ok, with the exception of Iron Man 2)
Avengers is the only movie so far done completely under Disney, even though they had the Paramount Logo in the film for some reason. But I wouldn't give all the credit to Disney for making that film what it was. It was Joss Whedon that made the film exceptional. In fact, the only reason why we had Amazing Spider-Man was because if Sony didn't make a film before the license expired, the rights to Spider-Man films would have gone to Disney. So far, Fox still owns quite a few of the licenses to make films based on X-Men and presumably Fantastic Four. I think the license expired for Daredevil, though.
Not to mention the new cartoon series are all really produced by Film Roman.
Disney is NOT stupid enough to screw up Star Wars or Marvel. It's not like the cartoons that they own because they bought the Family Channel. People would actually notice.
I'm just wondering. Anyone out there that just don't feel Disney's going to ruin Star Wars because Lucas already did?
I managed a toy store for three years. Trust me. Maybe you don't want to see a 7th film, but there are plenty of people who will. I'll give anything a chance. I've always felt they could do more with Star Wars if taken away from Lucas so this kind of excites me. It's the perfect chance to create a new story with new characters still grounded in the classic world. This really is an opportunity for redemption. Let's face it. Eps 4-6 were for fans, Eps 1-3 were for kids. Eps 7-9 could bridge that gap.
But here's the thing. People want to see Empire Strike Back 2, essentially the same old 3 Star Wars films with different stories. That's kinda what people wanted out of the prequels. Sure, there are those that had real problems with the films themselves in terms of quality and storytelling, but then there were those who were genuinely ticked that, considering this was the story of how Darth Vader came to be, that Han and Chewie weren't there and C3-PO was "naked." If we get Star Wars 7, we'll no doubt see more new characters everyone will hate for being new. And if they use the same characters, they'd either complain about how they're old or they're recast.
I've seen this movie before. Everytime there's rumblings of a sequel of anything that hasn't had one for decades, everyone's initially excited, can't wait to see it, and then they're the first (and loudest) to complain when it doesn't measure up to their nostalgia filter. ESPECIALLY when it's a will it happen or not situation. Look at Indian Jones. When rumblings of a "we might do it" happened, everyone was excited, and kept egging them on. The film comes out, and EVERYONE couldn't shut up about how horrible it was. There are people who whine about Tron Legacy sucking, and no one even liked the first one. Now there's Ghostbusters 3 which is still in the may or may not stage. You know when that comes out, everyone's going to hate it. Especially since they want to make it a "next Generation" film.
On the one hand, I actually would like to see Star Wars 7, 8, and 9. I have no idea what else they can do with the story, but I'd have an open mind about it. I actually liked the Prequels (though I think Phantom Menace was the worst of the three).
I'm torn by this.
On one hand, doesn't Disney own enough? But on the other hand, Star Wars could be treated better under Disney's direction, like the generous treatment they've been giving the Muppets and Marvel recently. Most of the best ideas of the Original Trilogy didn't even come from Lucas.
Also, I wonder if some of the actors from the OT would reprise their roles. That would be interesting.
My thoughts exactly. Disney has a LOT of toys, but at least play with the toys you already have. The only thing that bugs me about their ownership of Marvel, though, is the fact that Marvel published more Disney properties in the 90's than they've done now. Leftover Toy Story and Muppet comic arcs are all they have. I'm very disappointed Walt Disney's Comics and Stories, Donald Duck, and Scrooge McDuck aren't being published under the Marvel banner. But Marvel already has a Bruce Banner, making those unnecessary. Dark Horse supposedly has the license through 2013, and while it would be great to see Star Wars return to Marvel (they're the ones that published the comic in the first place) I just hope they actually print Star Wars comics at Marvel.
I doubt the films will focus on them at all. I'd even doubt a cameo. I think for the most part, the cast wrote all that off. With the exception of Anthony Daniels. He'd probably be on board.
I wonder what Star Wars stuff Disney has the full distribution rights to. I'd assume Fox still owns the distribution rights to the films.
Worst case scenario: We'll see Andy and Randy team up with Jar-Jar.
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...Am I the only one who couldn't possibly care less?
Okay, maybe that's not 100% true... is there any possibility of a Star Wars Holiday Special DVD?
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