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Do Bowie and Connelly really dislike Labyrinth?

Discussion in 'Fantasy Worlds' started by minor muppetz, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    I think she is saying that she doesn't really want to see it again, due to the fact that it's sort of weird to watch the 14 year old version of yourself like that.
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  2. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Well the question is :"Are you saying you don't want to watch Labyrinth anymore?" I think she's saying that ...No, she doesn't mean she doesn't want to see it again but that she hasn't seen it in a while as it is. Or maybe she feels like she doesn't feel the need to watch it again. She enjoyed it but got what she needed from it and moved on. Now it would be funny to see herself as a kid.

    I mean, if you go by just normal flow of conversation, that's how I would interpret it given the dialogue that follows. Maybe I'm just projecting my optimistic point of view onto it, but it sounds favorable, though.
  3. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Yeah! Like looking back at old pictures or home movies of yourself from the 80s and 90's with the aquanet bangs and the MC hammer pants. *shudders* Fun times but....no. Just no.
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    People often ask me questions like that, which make me cringe before saying no because they ask in a way that I feel if I said no they won't exactly know which part I mean by no. Like if someone were to ask me "are you off tuesday or do you know yet?", and the answer to either question is no, I have a cringe-feeling because I don't know how they'll know if I meant no to the first half of the question or the secodn half.
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  5. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Hah! You over think things, bottom line. Of course, the English language is just a little confusing at times. I saw a great post about that somewhere. No matter how you began the sentence...be it a'yes' or 'no' the meaning was exactly the same and never good.
    Something along the lines of " ____ I am an idiot." Put 'yes' or 'no'. lol
  6. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    That's the reason it's always a good idea to add something more in questions like that, and say "No, I'm not off Tuesday" or "No, I don't know yet," so it becomes very clear...but so many times questions like that are asked, and you have to be really careful...

    EDIT: The ziffels strike again...
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  7. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    What on earth are they, Hu?
  8. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Might not be easy like that. I might get asked when not in a talking mood or I really don't feel like answering the question being asked and just want to get answering it over with. Or I might feel like I'll get interrupted while answering.
  9. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    You've been on this forum for two months, and you still don't know what ziffeling is?

    Whenever you post a reply, and another reply by someone else shows up ahead of yours that just showed up when you replied, the person ziffeled you. Here's an example:

    Pretend I was about to post in a thread that minor muppetz last posted in. I type my response, and hit the "Post Reply" button. But suddenly, in between minor muppetz's post and my new post, your post shows up. You ziffeled me, because you typed faster than me and posted yours before I finished mine.

    It was named after an old member here, Ziffel, whom it kept happening to. So the term "ziffeling" was coined.
  10. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Hahahaha! Okay. I've got it now. Yeah, I have to admit that I had never heard of that before. Then again, I'm not really sure what the heck a 'muffin' is either. Oh well! I'm sorry. I certainly didn't mean to ziffel you. ^_- I just got caught up in the convo. Labyrinth gets the old blood pumping.
    But I think we've covered it now.
  11. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    I *think* that muffining is when you hijack a thread conversation and talk about something completely off topic...but a longtime member is gonna have to back me up on that one...

    And of course you didn't mean to ziffel me, as you don't know when I'm going to post anyway. I get ziffeled a lot by everyone around here, almost to the point that some people are probably about ready to change it to huberting...
  12. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    *laughs* You're probably right. Well, I guess by that rationale....we've muffined this thread. I admit I do that a lot. It's my ADD. Okay! I'm going to politely walk away and turn this back over to the topic at hand....*bows* With your leave..
  13. Rachael

    Rachael Well-Known Member

    As a lot has been said on this topic, I just want to clarify a few things-

    With respect to Jennifer Connelly

    1.) Labyrinth was not Jennifer Connelly's first feature film role, and nor was it her first main part. Her first film part was in Sergio Leone's Once Upon A Time In America (1984), which was filmed when she was eleven. She played the lead in Dario Argento's Phenomena (1985), which she filmed when she was thirteen years old. Finallly, she also took the main part in a teeny-bopper movie called Seven Minutes In Heaven which was likewise released in 1985.

    2.) Out of all of her early films, the only one where it's plain Jennifer is ashamed of it is Phenomena. Whenever it's brought up, she changes the subject.

    3.) Jennifer appears to have loved the people she worked with on Labyrinth, although she went through an 'emotionally rough' period when making the film. I quote from Starlog magazine, July 1991-

    “I was 15 [sic, Jennifer was actually 14] years old, and it was my first experience with a movie that was so vast. It was a really big responsibility and a huge role. I was in almost every scene and, often, I was the only the human in those scenes. It was rough. I remember sometimes feeling emotionally at odds with what was happening.

    “But I was lucky in that I was working with some real good people. Jim Henson was a very positive director who had a way of drawing the best out of you. And David [Bowie] was a very smart person who would always encourage me to try new things. I was feeling emotionally alone in the woods during much of Labyrinth, but they made things a whole lot easier.”

    4. Jennifer appears to have much more positive feelings towards the film now (either that, or her publicist has told her to pretend she does). This is from an interview with Empire magazine from January 2011-

    EM – Other of your movies as well obviously, but Labyrinth has a special place in a lot of people’s hearts because they remember it from childhood.

    JC – yeah, it’s kind of like the end of the period of making children’s movies in that way. He was so brilliant, Jim Henson. And it was David Bowie – how cool is that?

    5.) The most consistent opinion to come through from Jennifer is that she finds it embarrassing to watch such a young version of herself walking and talking on screen. She's described her own acting as 'bratty' - I've always got the impression she's being self-critical rather than critical of the film itself.

    With respect to David Bowie

    1.) It is harder to gauge David's opinion of Labyrinth, as he has rarely discussed it and hasn't given an interview for the best part of 10 years.

    2.) The only post-1986 interview where Bowie gives an opinion of Labyrinth is from a 1987 TV interview with Kay Rush-

    KR: [Both have just been talking about the Lolita theme of Beat on your Drum] Isn’t that what Labyrinth was a bit about? Sort of a fairy tale Lolita?

    DB: I think that was in Jim Henson’s mind, it was certainly in my mind whilst we were making it. I, I thought that was probably a plausible subtext to what he was doing, but, um, Jim had a lot of ideas going in that movie, I think maybe one too many [laughs], but it became a bit too jumbly for me. But it was fun to do, I guess. It wasn’t my favorite film to do.

    3.) It certainly doesn't seem like he hates the film, just found it uneven. And he must be somewhat fond of the soundtrack as he included As The World Falls Down on a complication of songs dedicated to his wife.

    Some of this has probably been mentioned, but I just thought it would be good to do a post covering all the information than I'm aware of.
  14. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    ...by singing "doo DOO doo doo do"...
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Quite honestly, does anyone ever not look back at something they made/did when they were younger and be a little embarrassed?
  16. Rachael

    Rachael Well-Known Member

    Exactly it's perfectly natural for her to feel that way. I've never understood people feeling shocked or hurt by the fact she's embarrassed by it - I think I'd feel the same way. It's also important to remember many reviewers were damning about Jennifer's performance in Labyrinth - it must have been very hurtful for a 15 year old to read reviews that described her as "disappointing", "bland and minimally talented" and "the wrong person for the right job." And she's clearly aware that it's a much-loved film in many quarters, which is nice to see.
  17. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Its crazy because although I can imagine maybe thinking something similar when i first saw it, I now cannot IMAGINE anything changed about that film -- especially Sarah/Jennifer. Her performance is such an interesting emotional canvas on which we -- the audience -- project so many different meanings everytime we watch the movie. (Or maybe that's just me...)

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