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EM.TV to sell 49.9% of Henson to Dean Valentine

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Dec 24, 2002.

  1. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Re: Longterm: I don't like it

    Somehow I feel better with the idea of Disney not bidding rather than losing the auction.
  2. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member


    Well, I guess you're right, I just meant that as we were all specualting, we were guessing at WHO would get the Muppets, and not what portion of them would be sold. I think we were all hoping to be rid of EM.TV as a constipated person wants to be rid of...... ;)

    Yeah, that's what EM.TV is....
  3. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member


    Yep, too many chefs just ain't right.

    Can't have two drivers for a car, or two captains for a ship.

    A couple of people getting together to start something is OK, but these are the Muppets, and we wanted and NEEDED somebody smart and strong to get them happening again, and like you said, EMTV are a bunch of liars, and we STILL have to deal with them.

    Bleccch :mad:
  4. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member


  5. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik Well-Known Member


    True. That's how ya get them to come into work!

  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Mr. Valentine in a recent interview:

    "These are amazing characters that are asleep and need to be woken up, and I think the NBC movie proved they can be," Mr. Valentine said. "The plan would be to revive Kermit and Miss Piggy and the Muppets in all areas — they're wonderful characters much beloved by the public, and there are many opportunities in television, in film, in theater and other areas."

    Oh please let this be more than just a pr positioning ruse!
    I hope this guy and his team really get the aggressive ball running. Just the main part that bugs me is EM.TV is still the puppet master with their sneaky little "50.1"% maneuevering. Reminds me of some plotline out of WWF.
  7. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Well it's way better than some company getting them cheap for like 20 million if EMTV went bust, selling the creature shop, sacking the staff, closing the company, putting the puppets into storage or a museam, and then just making money year after year on selling the old shows and movies ........ and there is and was a REAL serious chance of that happening.

    I think we should be optimistic in a wait and see kinda way - at least they plan to have the Muppets working and out on the scene.
  8. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    It seems that Valentine possibly shares a "fan's view" of the Muppets in that last statement Cory posted. If so, then this whole deal MAY NOT be a bad thing (?).

    However, if something happens here and the price of JHC ends up going down--well, that may be what Dizzy World is waiting on to happen and then jump on the JHC with all 4 feet. Then again, what is the relationship between Walt Dizzy and Valentine's company? The Mouse has his paws on several different companies in at least SOME percentage, but this I dunno.

    Hopefully, Valentine will listen. Is there an email address to his company to which we can send an email and let him know OUR INTENT?! I think if this deal DOES go through, and he reads some of our posts here at the forum, he could make a better go for the purchase, you know?

    I also agree that there could be power struggles between Valentine and (yuck) EM.TV (the jerks) that could rip some seams in the Muppets h.q. I hope not, but who knows. I just hope Valentine knows what he's doing--if not, can't be any dumber than those EM.TV creeps.

    I've missed it, I'm sure, but where is Valentine's company based at?

    But, didn't I say in the very beginning of all this EM.TV garbage that this would happen? Why, oh, WHY did the Henson children do this thing? To get back into creativity as they said, or did they see "$$" in their eyes?

  9. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Valentine's American based, and he used to be head of one of Disney's divisions .... it may have been movies or animation, not sure. It isn't really a company, he just left UPN with a big payoff and will be based with his associates at Henson apparently so Disney has no interests in it so far although who knows what deals may happen in the future. I think this will all go through though - once the execs start making public statements it's usually rock solid. EMTV actually aren't that bad, i've experienced them first hand and i'm happy to say that - they made a great start with the Muppets, and have done wonderful things for Henson's other international projects. When the tide turned and there were financial problems in both companies (EMTV and JHC) they had to start doing drastic things like streamlining the company and liquidating assets - their backs were pretty much against the wall and they did what any other company would have done. Actually JHC haven't been that displeased with them at times - especially as they were based in Germany and it took em a long time to work out how to make big decisions from far away.

    People (everybody) really need to lay off EMTV until they know the facts - this site just lives from press release to press release - it isn't an accurate indication as to whats really gone on or is going on as those with any knowledge of whats happening day to day don't seem to discuss it, maybe because a lot of blame would actually be cast in Henson's direction and not EMTV's. To be honest - it's like a pantomime here sometimes (i mean even more than usual) - because there is a lack of information people have jumped on who they assume is the bad guy.
  10. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    well, i hope that this valentine guy is not just all talk and really wants to put the muppets back on the map of entertaining millions of people.

  11. JamieDenny

    JamieDenny Well-Known Member

    *Wonders where Stevie is*


    *who is happier than Miss Piggy on Day One of a Tiffany Sale and believes in Santa once again*
  12. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    But I did!
    "But, didn't I say in the very beginning of all this EM.TV garbage that this would happen? Why, oh, WHY did the Henson children do this thing? To get back into creativity as they said, or did they see "$$" in their eyes?"

    And don't forget I have also mentioned smacking Brian Henson in the head with a rubber chicken since the deal, so I haven't totally let them off scott-free.

    My problem with all this was that I knew that the deal was going to be sour, and it ended up as such (my rubber chicken, Billy the psychic, told me). And I've blamed what's happened bad to the JHC on the kids because they sold it, but moreso on EM.TV because they made the additional bad business deals that got us where we are today.

    IF EM.TV had not made the deals they did that caused their financial stress and the problems for our beloved JHC, none of this would make any difference, and we wouldn't have a need to blame the Henson kids for anything, and we'd all be happy as a hog at slop time--but it happened, and we have to blame someone, and in this case we got kids and bad exec's in Germany.

    Or my psychic rubber chicken--I'm not sure.
  13. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    Valentine's latest statement posted by Cory gives me new hope. It sounds like he knows what he's talking about, and he referenced the NBC movie, not Kermit's Swamp Years. Of course, the NBC movie was the most recent project, and it's all fairly typical PR stuff. But who knows? He didn't mention direct-to-video. He mentioned TV, movies, and theater (wow!). I sincerely hope for the best.

    And here's another perk: If Valentine is still chummy with Disney, maybe he can get them greater exposure in the theme parks...
  14. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I feel okay with the Valentine deal, not the way I did with EM.TV. I only hope things work out. I like the quote Cory gave us, but still am worried until I see results...which will be...when? Forever?

    At any rate, the remaining share of EM.TV is less costly now, and we fans should get our money together and buy them out!! We would own stock in our 50.1% share of JHC. I have $600 to go toward the cause--who's with me? I'm serious, I'll do it!!
  15. pezbalubah

    pezbalubah Well-Known Member

    I'd chip in money to buy, but the only thing is, if every registered user on Muppet Central, Tough Pigs, Palisades, etc. got involved, there still probably wouldn't be enough people.
  16. murgatoad

    murgatoad Well-Known Member

    The London Creature Shop IS still for sale.
  17. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    $600 times 250,000 fans equals $150million. I'm SURE there's 250,000 fans. Not just from MC.

    Then again, talk about power struggles between 2 or 3 companies, imagine that PLUS 250,000 people...

    UNLESS, the 250,000 voted as an association and created a president, vp, secretary, and treasurer of that association who would tally up the remaining votes and the president of the association would be the voice of all the others?
  18. Muppets1985

    Muppets1985 Well-Known Member

    :( &*%@#

    omg!! what are they thinking here?? Disneu if u'r reading this buy them....buy yhrm now!!! god i realy hate thet *&%T^%%*&... EM.TV place!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
  19. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member


    I'd rather we all owned them instead of Disney. Not that us owning them would be a bad thing.


    Or, is that "unite?"
  20. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Sorry Kev, i wasn't aiming what i said completely at you - more of a general comment really. From how this site and also the media has portrayed things it's been kinda :- EMTV (big bad German corporation) :- Bad. Henson (nostalgic helpless TV company) :- Good. It's just not that simple, obviously. For the most part of EMTV's time with the Muppets they have been relatively more silent than any other stateside parent would be - maybe thats good, maybe that's bad ..... but people here talk about how great the company would be in Rivkins hands but it was, he's done some superb work this year but overall the company needs more - a lot more.

    I also put some blame on the kids for selling out, and thats plainly what they did - all the creativity stuff was all in all complete rubbish. Even the PR statements at the time where Brian Henson credited Haffa for coming up with the idea for the new Muppet Show on a plane was just food for the media goldfish. That happens with everyone in things like this though and i'm sure there were big future plans and funding for the Muppets talked about but they would've known that once they signed away control it wouldn't be the same. In their defence though this was a German media company paying 680 million, well over the odds, and offering the Henson's jobs too. Who could turn that down ? I know it was their fathers legacy they were signing away (and i'm sure they didn't take that lightly) but as i've said before, there were probably financial factors that we don't know about that meant the company might go down anyway if they didn't sell so taking the cash was probably the most sensible option although obviously not great for the fans and it's not been all that great for the Muppets so far.

    Hopefully with the right backing the new owners can build on this years success and have a good 2003. No matter how you look at it the word 'agressively' (if true) can only mean they are at least looking to get the Muppets out there in the spotlight rather than hide them away and live off the residuals.

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