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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, May 7, 2003.

  1. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    That's IT, LUKE!!

    They could do a LIVE script reading with hats! The hats could represent each of the different characters they were portraying (ie, Goelz could have a Boober hat and a Matt hat; Karen has her Red Fraggle hat, Jerry could have a hat that looked like Gobo's head, etc).

    I did a solo to get in the Wonderful Wizard of Oz and I did "If I only had a Heart, Brain, and Courage" as a medly, and changed hats for each character.

    (BUT! Not to delete the possibility of another Muppet Show Live!)
  2. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The more I think about it the more I like the idea that Sesame is a separate property than the rest of Henson. Without the Sesame property to manage, they can spend more energy promoting the Muppet Show gang, Creature Shop projects and maybe get some Fraggle DVDs released. I have felt that these properties have played second to Sesame promotions for a decade or so. Sesame Street is wonderful and I enjoy it very much, but they can take care of themselves. It would be nice to see the Muppet gang back on equal footing with the Sesame characters.:) :p
  3. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Well-Known Member

    Hear, hear, Jamie!

    Luke, I totally hear what you're saying about the business side of things. It wouldn't be as easy as it once was, but I would hope something would be worked out. A big part of the TMS Live Show might be too much, but I think they should throw the puppeteers and their characters in with the Q&A session, at least. And I'm talking if it's in NY--if it's in CA again, or over in London, the absence is not so egregious. But if MF2 is in NY, and the Muppeteers are RIGHT THERE not being utilitized...that's the main idea that seemed "off" to me. Just like if they held it in London and DIDN'T use the puppeteers from The Hoobs.

    And I'm all for the Fraggle people recording DVD commentary right in front of us! Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale did their recording for the Back to the Future movies the same way, at their alma mater, USC. Let's hope we see something like that!
  4. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Jamie said: The more I think about it the more I like the idea that Sesame is a separate property than the rest of Henson. Without the Sesame property to manage, they can spend more energy promoting the Muppet Show gang, Creature Shop projects and maybe get some Fraggle DVDs released. I have felt that these properties have played second to Sesame promotions for a decade or so. Sesame Street is wonderful and I enjoy it very much, but they can take care of themselves. It would be nice to see the Muppet gang back on equal footing with the Sesame characters.

    Me: I agree. Though Sesame crossovers and other staples of the more golden era of Henson (aka the 70s and 80s) would be nice to see, I think Henson should focus on putting the core Muppet group back in the forefront and try to make them appeal to today's audience. And the Christmas movie for NBC was a great start. That should be the top priority rather than Bert and Ernie popping up in the new Fox show.

    As for the Sesame/Henson corporate thing, SS will always be an integral and significant part of the Muppets and nothing will take that away, but they're not Henson--as in "The Jim Henson Company"--anymore. Now I don't understand the whole relationship now if the SS Muppets were to appear at another convention or anniversary special, but if the two entities were to work something out that would be awesome.

    But they are different companies, and there is a business side to Henson behind the flying penguins and rainbow connections and such, and the Family is well aware of that. That's not a bad thing, it's just the reality and it always has been. It's through those business dealings that Henson is able to do more amazing things. And whatever you've learned from the Muppets--whether it be a Frog or a Fraggle--and their past projects, no merger or deal will take that away from you. But as for the company itself, it does need to survive and expand and that's one main reason I supported Disney. But I'm positive Brian & Co. will always have the Muppets' best interests in mind, whether they sell again or not (though I'll always want Disney personally), so we'll see what happens.

    And that's my rant.
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well, while there is no argument that Muppet Show and Sesame Street are pretty much brothers(or sisters, or whatnots and cousins) I guess there is an advantage to JHC not having to govern over SS now that I think about it. And think about it this way...it shows how large the Muppet universe is that one of the boggest franchises(sesame) can be completely run by a different company. Youd never see that with Disney or anyone else.

    The Muppets are a global reaching edutainment fracnhise of unparralled rival, so I guess it does make sense to have a different company running that...as JHC needs all the time and energy they have to focus on the Muppet Show caharacters.

    To clarify, I consider everything from 1955 til now with the exception of Creature shop Muppets...such is why I refer to
    Kermit to Beaker to Pepe to Digit as "Muppet Show" muppets, instead of just "Muppets" or "Classic Muppets". To me Muppet Show just means the main brand, not neccesarily the 70's show TMS.

    Finally...while I would prefer a stateside Muppetfest, I guess I would have to travel to London like everyone else if it is held there. Though that would have to be at leats a year away...if its in CA again or NY I could probably manage by December.

    Im hoping they at least have a refurbished or usable Sprocket and Uncle Matt...as well as I think they should have a Skeksis or two on display. I would also like to see Telly and Oscar there as well, like Elmo was in during the q&a and live show.
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Um...that's all good, but Red should be the first Fraggle made! :excited: Dave and Steve have several characters already, but more (especially Fraggles) is always better! You know, they probably have a Sprocket in fairly good shape. He pops up in so many projetcs and he's more fuzz than foam. :zany:
  7. plucky

    plucky Member

    JHC and DVDs?

    I'm sure this is one of those questions that cannot be answered yet, BUT....

    Does this change of hands have any likely effect (positive or negative) on the release of JHC related DVDs?

    I have seen some people says the words "some Fraggle DVDs", but I am specifically wondering about the following...

    1) A COMPLETE set of TMS DVDs. Starting at Season 1 Episode 1 and going through to the end, including UK bits, and containg the correct openings, endings, etc? I for one will NOT buy these "Best Of" DVDs, yet if a complete set were released, I would run out and drop $300 for it in a heartbeat.

    2) A COMPLETE set of Fraggle Rock DVDs. Same as above, I would not want to buy some episodes peacemail, or even what someone else would want to tell me they thought was the "best of", but I would instantly drop $300 to own the entire run.

    3) Jim Hensons Storyteller on DVD? Those were some amazing shows when I saw them back in the day, and buying them on Video would just be a crime.

    I am one of those people who think anyone who tries to sell a DVD with less then 4 episodes of something on it is a crime, against consumers and the environment (and anything else I can think of). Give me a DVD packed full (which is more then 3 episodes no matter what they try to tell you), and give me every episode and I'd buy it up like the good ole American consumer that I am.

    Give me 3 episodes of whatever you feel like, and only a few DVDs at that, and I won't buy into it....

    Ah well, heres hoping!

  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I agree with your opinion, but it isn't likely that TMS will have full season sets anytime soon. It would conflict with the Columbia Tristar/Time Life deal. These should have been released by season boxed sets to begin with. :zany:
  9. Mark Filton

    Mark Filton Well-Known Member

    Yes, who is to say who's "best of???"

    Do the whole thing, and include all the extra bits, that is what I want on the market:D
  10. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Yeah this doesn't change the whole DVD thing at all - if anything EMTV was MORE into getting all the product out there than Henson themsevles. Unfortunately complete seasons of TMS and Fraggle are very specialist (not many people gonna drop down $300) and it's hard for them to find a distributor (although good work has been done in France). As Jamie says right now it'd conflict with existing deals too and that deal will probably be renewed next year. There is a rumor though that there is some interest in a small Fraggle DVD release, most likely a 'Best Of'.

    As for Storyteller - it's out on DVD in the UK. Just get multi-region your DVD player and order it from there.

    Glad people liked the ideas for either a live script reading, or a live DVD style episode commentary for Fraggle at Muppetfest - that's why they pay me the big bucks ...... unfortunately it's chocolate money but thats life kids ! :rolleyes:
  11. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    I would bet lots of money that there is still Sprocket, Matt and Gobo Puppets around and useable.

    Those three were made for the US, UK, France and Germany.
    I should think two Puppets were built for each, Maybe more !

    I think they could rebuild the other Four Fraggles and have all Six Fraggles and maybe even Sprocket and Doc make some new footage for DVD's.

    Its crazy, The main Seven people of the cast are all still alive.
    They will probably wait another 20 years and then decide to do it, When all those people wont be around.

  12. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I'm just surprised there's no new Fraggle Rock movie. They could do a whole new story and film about something that "happened" during the series which we never knew about, or follow up to what's gone on after the series ended.
  13. plucky

    plucky Member

    >It would conflict with the Columbia Tristar/Time Life deal.

    Yes, that is true, and very unfortunate. Is there any possibility of releasing the complete series THROUGH Columbia Tristar/Time Life? This would at least remove the conflict of interest in having a 3rd party.

    With Fraggle Rock, hopefully they will leave the door open for such possibilities whenever they go and make a "best of" deal.

    >Unfortunately complete seasons of TMS and Fraggle are very specialist (not many people gonna drop down $300)

    Yes, but not many people would probably drop $300 for the Complete Monty Pythons Flying Circus, and thats out there. Look at the amazing number of Anime box sets available. Even selling "By Season" would be a good idea. This is something that has been done for many other shows now (Buffy, Simpsons, Star Trek: TNG just to name 3 that I'm aware of). I don't know how well these have done sales wise, but the fact that stores are populated by many of these shows there must be SOME interest.

    Another idea might be a limited release of boxed sets. I can think of a couple off the top of my head, "Lain" comes to mind first. It was a short series, but the concept could go over to a longer series like TMS as well. Do a short run release of the boxed set, just to see how well it sells. If it actually sells out quickly, then that justifies being followed up with a longer production run. If it doesn't sell out quickly, then nix the idea, and those people who really wanted it (like me :) ) at least have a chance to own it.

    >and it's hard for them to find a distributor (although good work has been done in France)

    OK, I won't pretend to know anything about this side of things :)

    >As for Storyteller - it's out on DVD in the UK. Just get multi-region your DVD player and order it from there.

    ARGH! I have a multi-region DVD player, and my girlfriend was just in London a month ago! DOH!

    Are any of these questions worth posing to THC just now, or are they things that should wait until "the deal" is finalized? I know most usually don't get an answer back (worry, we can't answer that question at this time), but it's always good to put that bug in their ear early!

  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Anybody else find it laughable there is only 2/3 episodes per dvd? C'mon, anyone who knows dvd specs knows they can fit a lot more than that on there, heh. Just look at the complete Simpsons/Futurama season 1 boxsets...aint no spacin out the episodes on like 20 dvds there.

    Also unrelated to JHC themselves, is the age old question of when Sesame Workshop is going to start making colletibles for the crowds older than 18 months...since noone in the US knows any ways or means of importing those nifty Japeanese Sesame collectibles from Japan, I guess we'll have to wait for the 50th Sesame annv.
  15. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Well-Known Member

    Yes I agree BlueFrackle,if they would like to do a new Fraggle thing it should be as soon as they can, nobody is getting any younger.

    I know it's got to cost a lot of money to remake some Fraggle puppets, but i don't see why they couldn't? Rather then wasting money on potato face nameless Muppets or pirates only used once bring back these loved Muppet characters instead. Such as if they make a new show, I don't want to see potato faced Muppets in the background, use Mildred instead!

    I know they always want to put the Muppets in a new direction everytime they do a new Muppet show but they should not drop everything and make it all new, we already have newer charcters that still need introduction to the public more Pepe (though he's going very far now:) Jonny, Sal, Phil Bobo, even Cifford still needs to be introduced more if they are still going to use him? So we don't need a whole new slue of Muppet's for the show, sure a few new ones or one time walk on characters maybe one or two new Muppet faces to join the family but keep the Rowlf's Fozzie's and Robin's please!

    Zack)Rowlf the, Skeeter for an adult muppet!Dog.
  16. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    They wouldn't remake the Fraggle puppets just for Muppetfest or DVD footage. It just wouldn't bring in enough money for them to do it. It'd have to be a new show or something like that. I think the best we can hope for in the current situation is if they restore Gobo, Matt and Sprocket if they had any of those in a near to useable condition. Fraggle was quite an expensive show to make in todays terms so i think if they were to remake or relaunch it it'd have to be a major deal - but it would be good, after all it's the same kinda educational thing as Hoobs and could be produced in the same way. I don't think you'd be likely to get all the same old people and voices working on it though which might spoil the original show.

    I really think if you were to campaign for something 'Fraggle' for Muppetfest you'd be better off asking for a brief appearance from whatever puppets they do have, a script reading or something, and then a Q&A. That wouldn't really cost them anything besides getting the people there.
  17. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    I think they could just rebuild the Fraggles, When the Workshop people have nothing to do they just rebuild old Puppets.

    Or just make new ones, They rebuilt LOTS for Mopatop's Shop.

    And ill say it again, There were Muppets in Mopatop's Shop from The Muppet Show which hadnt been rebuilt, So i do not believe that all the main Fraggles have gone to dust.

    I refuse to believe it.

    I also refuse to believe it costs something like 5,000 to make on Fraggle.

    To that i say, Gorgs butter!
  18. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Wonder where Terry Angus is during this conversation? He could give us insight on Fraggle building etc.
  19. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Re: Luke,

    Most of the puppets rebuilt for Moppatops were very basic ones weren't they ? However yes, you got me on that. I'm just going by what Terry said, he was at the reunion and saw the actual puppets himself in very bad condition, and knew what the cost was to rebuild. I guess some mishap happened with the Fraggles over time - maybe they didn't get put away in the right kind of storage or something ?

    As for the costs for Fraggles, i too am puzzled by the high cost - they didn't have any animatronics in did they ? I could understand Gorgs being Mega expensive because of all the complex stuff - i bet the animatronics just got ripped out of those suits but they might have saved the rest if they could.

    We really need Karen or Terry to comment on this who have actually seen and know about this stuff.
  20. JamieDenny

    JamieDenny Well-Known Member

    I know I'm v late on this one but I've had net probs so please bear with me.
    Firstly congratulations to the Henson kids, secondly if any of them are reading this, I apologise if anything I said may have offended you, it was mereley my frustration at the way the Muppest were being treated at the time.
    Eisner, to quote Lukes favourite singing artist "Oops You Did It Again"
    I guess you're going to have to live with "ghosts" for a while, tough luck, you had the passion to want to close the deal but not to understand the Muppets.
    More to follow

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