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Entire Fraggle Five on Ebay!

Discussion in 'Puppets For Sale' started by rtgentry, May 19, 2009.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Here's a big welcome to you from Muppet Central's graphic designer. I really enjoy your work and personally have no problem with it. There's always a fuzzy line (pun intended) with this stuff, but your motives seem like ones of fun to me. I think the quality of these pieces honors the Muppets. Seeing your beautifully crafted puppets has brought this fan joy. :super:
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  2. puppetmancan

    puppetmancan Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much! I love what i do and don't mean any harm in it. Its sharing, what we are all on here for... The love of the Muppets. As far as building the puppets, the hours it takes to build these are many. You divide what the materials cost, and time spent dying everything, even the ostrich feathers, and then construction. I'm not making boo koo bucks. I do it because i love it. And it really helps tone my design skills. Yeah you can make your own patterns and make originals (i do this weekly), but also when you make something based entirely on videos and pictures, it really challenges you to be creative in different ways. Again thanks. I really appreciate the compliments. MC would be a better place if people where like you and encourage puppeteers and builders, instead of being jealious of others' skills and condemming them biblically or just because. The world doesn't need any more negativety. This world needs a smile back on...Isn't that what the muppets have always been based on. :)
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  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I feel exactly the same. Your original puppets and replica Muppets really are amazing. I can't imagine how the world would be if I could make my own Muppet! :wisdom:
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  4. MGov

    MGov Well-Known Member


    It's wrong that you can't marry your partner. I have yet to hear a real argument to convince me otherwise.

    It's wrong to take advantage of other people's work for your own profit. I'm not preaching. I'm just waiting for someone to make an argument that convinces me otherwise.


    If someone can make a true, valid argument, that doesn't include "It's just for fun" (people sell on eBay for money, not for fun) or "I'm just providing what the big companies don't" (Also based on money), then I will concede that I am wrong.

    So go for it.

    Oh, and I'm an agnostic.
  5. rtgentry

    rtgentry Well-Known Member

    Lol that would explain your Oh So cheery attitude.. :boo:
  6. Show and Tell

    Show and Tell Well-Known Member

    yes this is America and i still have as much a freedom of speech as anyone else here. You dont have to agree or like what i have to say about the subject but i will NOT shut up just because you have a different opinion. The fact is copyright infringement( as petty as you may feel it is) is illegal. Doesnt matter your opinion or mine for that matter when your standing before a judge paying restitution. As for the attack you tried to make toward my faith, i never said i was perfect but i know my God. Say what you want to about my crutch. At least ill still be standing even as ignorant as i am
  7. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    you know ive been reading this thread since the begining,
    and while im not gonna say anything about the puppet issue itself because im sure most of you know where i stand, i gotta say, as a christian myself and even starting my puppet career in a church, you dont have a very Godly attitude toward anyone's opinions in this situation,.especially Puppetmancan...i love his work ive seen it many times and i think he has awesome talent...but you gotta take your self down off your high pedistal..thats one of the issues i have with my own church they see themselves high and mighty and spew the bible at people instead of talking to them like normal people...just my 2 cents even if it doesnt make sense
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  8. Pork

    Pork Well-Known Member

    yeah this makes sense.

    And as far as freedom of speech goes...sure, we have freedom of speech. But just because we are free to do something doesn't mean it's beneficial to do so.
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Part of being a human, much less a person of faith, is to treat others with kindness. It's difficult, but freedom of speech should be tempered with responsibility and kindness.
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  10. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Just reading this thread and, wow, does anyone even moderate this forum anymore?

    I'm not sure how exactly this veered off in to God and gay marriage or what that has to do with puppetry, but I will say that when this debate inevitably rears its ugly head it makes me think it should just be a banned topic. Not to suppress anyone's point of view, but because I think both sides of this issue have said just about everything that could possibly be said about it.

    What seems to usually happen here when when people argue about this is that nobody is speaking the same language. The anti-replica folks argue what the law is and the pro-replica folks argue what they think the law should be, or that they disagree with it. The two are like apples and oranges.

    Selling replica puppets (or almost anything else really) based on someone's intellectual property violates copyright laws. Saying that isn't being judgmental or having an opinion, it's stating a true and verifiable fact. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

    At the same time, obviously a lot of people don't care or feel they're entitled to sell replicas "at cost" or because there's no way for fans to buy a replica Muppet. The ethics of that can be debated, but maybe the tone of the debate would be a little better if the anti-replica folks were a little less judgmental and the pro-replica folks could be honest and acknowledge the reality that you're not supposed to sell work based on someone's copyright, even if you are a fan?

    Personally, I liked what Jamie (frogboy) had to say about being torn between wanting to own a Scooter puppet and at the same time acknowledging that if it was his intellectual property being used/profited from he'd probably be upset. If I had to guess, I'd say that's probably representative of how most people feel.
  11. ravagefrackle

    ravagefrackle Well-Known Member

    I love the De-evolution of this thread, Its like a Bus with no diver or the worst game of telephon i have ever scene :)
  12. practicecactus

    practicecactus Well-Known Member

    IN B4 locked thread.
  13. Show and Tell

    Show and Tell Well-Known Member

    I dont believe I questioned the quality of his work as I believe from everything Ive seen of Puppetmancan's work he is amazingly talented. Only that selling replicas is illegal and therefore wrong and also that those talents would be better served in making to sell originals of his own design. I dont see how i have an ungodly attitude or put myself on a pedistal by saying that. And when did I spew bible at him? Seemed more to me like biblical issues he has were being brought up by him that had nothing to do with this thread.
  14. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Well-Known Member

    Same! :batty:
  15. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Fun fact: you quote Deuteronomy in your sig, which ironically enough proscribes the death penalty for proselytism (trying to convert someone to your opinion). I'm not sure that Moses had Muppet replicas in mind though...
  16. practicecactus

    practicecactus Well-Known Member

  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :attitude: What does puppetry have to do with social issues? Well, in my experience some of the biggest Muppet fans are gays and Christians. Those issues just come up. They will always come up.

    It would be inappropriate to censor gays on a forum that permits and encourages the heavy inclusion of Christianity on many threads, signatures and in unrelated topics. I don't think that's quite what was being said here or the intention. I just need to make it clear that such cherry picked oppression just won't happen with me around. Muppet Central is inclusive not exclusive. Staff includes folk from many walks of life just like the Muppet characters. :flirt:

    That said, I think what Puppetmancan was illustrating was his frustration with the needless judgment of one person affecting the life of another and the overlap of different topics of moral judgment. Much of what was said by Show and Tell came off to me like Dana Carvey in one of his patented Church Lady sketches. I don't think that was his intention and will give him the benefit of the doubt. I've just dealt with that sort of judgment all my life and can have a much hotter temper about such things.

    :wisdom: Nonetheless, I think Buck-Beaver has a good point in just trying to understand and respect one another's opinion on the matter. The rest has a way of sorting itself out without our needling each other.

    And I still want a Scooter...I hope some company makes a replica of him. But if I hit the Lotto someone like Puppetmancan will probably get a PM from me!
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  18. puppetmancan

    puppetmancan Well-Known Member

    Well Said! To quote a favorite muppet movie "peoples are peoples". My mother taught me that my whole life.
    :) Love the fact my mother quotes a muppet movie.
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  19. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    Well I just went on puppetmancans website and I just love his puppets. If you make these, you do an awesome job. I wished I could make puppets like that. I love your Robin and baby Rowlf Muppets, there awesome!
  20. Nick22

    Nick22 Well-Known Member

    What is his website?

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