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Fraggle Reunion

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by BlueFrackle, May 17, 2003.

  1. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Hey Guys,
    With all the talk of a Fraggle reunion, And the state of the Fraggle puppets i thought id make a thread for it.

    Then we can stop loading the Henson Buy Out thread with it.

    I think we need some more word on the price of building the Fraggle puppets!

    see ya
  2. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Yeah BlueFrackle, if you stopped spending on merchandise for a few months you could probably afford to buy them a set ! :p
  3. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Luke,

    Hehe, I wish !
    And if i had the money to back a Fraggle project, I WOULD !

    I would like to know from someone 'in the know' how much those Puppets really cost.

    I can believe a Gorg to go up in the thousands, But a Puppet like Boober ?

    Foam Interior, Fur Fabric, Fleece, Clothing Material, Extras, Puppet Builders = $2,000 - $5,000 ?

    I think that now the Henson's are back in charge, That we could very likely see something Fraggley coming. I should think its close to there hearts, Like it is ours.

    Imagine we could still have Gobo, Mokey, Wembley, Boober and Red do something new for a DVD, I heard that they still have some sets from the show too. And multiple Doozers are still around. Ofcourse Matt could make an appearance !

    *Imagines seeing Travelling Matt looking at a Fraggle Rock DVD in a Commercial*

    I wonder if the Puppet Patterns are the problem that they are having ?

    see ya
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The issue with Fraggle Rock is that the show was so expensive to make. The sets alone cost tens of thousands of dollars. I wasn't aware of that. It was just caves to me. LOL!

    Also, any cable station who would run a new show would want a piece of it. It's not like the old days. I'm sure that Henson wants to hold onto the full rights of their characters. HBO wouldn't allow them to do that these days. Nick probably wouldn't either. That's where the issue comes in - where would these shows air and how would they be funded?

    That's why I think they should make a few Fraggle Rock specials just like they are doing with the Muppets. They can shop the specials to cable outlets and I'm sure there would be heavy promotion, but the station would only have rights to the special and not the characters or the future of any shows.

    Also, in this age of CG, I can see the possibility of several sets being created inside the computer and blue-screened in. It's not that wild becuase they used a lot of blue-screening in the television show. Not all of the sets should be that way, but it could help scale-down the expense and would be around for future projects. They wouldn't have to refurbish them from project to project. Who knows. Just ideas off the top of my head.

    Also, an idea that would greatly cut down on set expense is if the Fraggle gang has to venture out into "outerspace" to save Uncle Traveling Matt. That would be monumental for the fraggle gang.
  5. Jamie, are you sure about that? I was under the impression that it was a relatively low-budget show, which was a perk since everything came off so well and it looked so "real". I would swear to you I read that in a Muppety source...
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The info came straight from Ms Prell. :excited: I was kind of boggled too, but apparently they spent more money on FR than people do now on what are considered children's projects. It was anything but low budget. Bear in the Big Blue House (good as it is) isn't anywhere near the production value of Fraggle Rock. Neither are any other puppet-related programs (with the exception of Sesame Street, but they don't have as many complex sets).

    They had a lot of FX shots every week and they made it all look seamless. The same exact cave sets could not necessarily be used every week because of the need to cut holes in strategic places. It's all much more complicated than I ever imagined. Also, just a simple shot with the Doozers must be incredibly expensive to create and shoot.

    You know, with the advances in technology, many of these problems could be solved. Puppet Doozer shots could be cut in with CG Doozers for more difficult actions. Plus, bluescreening wasn't perfected until the mid-90s. Many shots would look so clean and be easier to shoot today.

    Oh, and the new Fraggles would need to have more Mokey! LOL!;)
  7. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Jamie,

    I have to disagree, The thought of them using CG to animate a Doozer makes me feel sick.

    Honestly.
    I think it would totally ruin the idea of it being a Puppet show.

    I would mind CG Backgrounds for when they walk down a cave tunnel or something, Because that would always happen on the original show.

    And i think they have alot of the sets left in storage.

    Also a few years ago here the Disney Channel had Fraggle Rock (and Muppet Babies straight after.) then NickJr ran it after it finished on Disney.

    I dont think there was any trouble there.

    see ya
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Re: Jamie,

    I said that "Puppet Doozer shots could be cut in with CG Doozers for more difficult actions" not that they should replace the principle puppets. Just an alternative for wide shots and difficult/expensive motions. Puppets should never be replaced by CG, but it helps in some situations. I'm shocked that you'd mistake my intention. That's the last thing I would want.

    If the sets are in storage, it would probably take more money to refurbish them than to start from scratch.

    I was saying that if a new show was made, the cable channel would want a piece of it. You're talking about re-runs. There's a very big difference.
  9. Oh, okay. Her, I believe---you, I wasn't so sure. LOL! :p :cool: :D

    That's kinda insulting though, to say that to you it was "just caves, LOL!", unless you mean when you were a kid (cause ain't you not seen it in years?), cause then, of course, you wouldn't be as thoughtful about it then as you are now.

    Personally, I find the sets breathtakingly beautiful, and now I know that cost tens of thousands of dollars to create 'em, it's obvious in the subtle beauty, and the way they perfectly integrate with one another. You have "reg'lar" cave rooms, like G&W's room, M&R's room, B's pad, and then you have "one-shot" rooms for special things---the Singing Cactus, Chimney Hole Cavern, Firefly Cavern, The Terrible Tunnel, The Invisible Bridge, etc...it just makes it all so realistic and perfect.

    :)
  10. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Jamie is right about everything he said, and yeah, those sets in storage and anything else they have would never be of broadcast quality now - TV cameras pick up just about anything right down to a speck of dust. I would NOT want Fraggle Rock to be re-made, and i think i'd probably be against them doing specials as well (not that i can see a TV company taking it with the Fraggles being gone for so long). It might spoil the original show if they used modern day production techniques, used CGI and other stuff. We don't know if they could even get all the original puppeteers back either. If they were to do a special i'd like it to stay very faithful to the old show and as Jamie said, that was expensive to make.

    If the Fraggle puppets were cheap enough for them to remake i would be in support of them using them for some DVD extras or something, but i think a reunion or DVD release basically only needs the puppets they do have in good condition to do some kind of little intro, and then the original puppeteers to do a commentary, interviews, live script reading or something like that. At least it would retain the magic of the show rather than spoiling it by doing something of todays crappy kids tv standards.

    I honestly don't see Henson remaking Fraggle Rock. It's not their style and i think re-runs of the originals would actually be much better appreciated by the nostalgic fans. It's just about getting those back out there on TV or on a DVD set. A reunion would be absolutely fantastic and if they can remake the Fraggles they don't now have for it that would be fantastic.

    Saying all this - i think 'The Hoobs' concept has borrowed a lot from Fraggle Rock. There are some big similarities !
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think some sort of Fraggle special could help stir interest for the original series. It would help them get released on DVD as well. If Henson could work something out with HBO, Nick or Disney (and have complete script control) I think it could work.

    It shouldn't be a remake of the series, rather it could be "Return to Fraggle Rock: The Search for Matt. Gobo could venture into outer space with the other Fraggles in order to find Matt because they think he's in trouble. It would bring another dimension to the show. There could also be cut-ins of Doc and Sprocket on vacation and a few scenes with the Gorg's Garden in some sort of sub-plot. I can see it very easily and they wouldn't need all of the expensive cave sets. Just a couple of them.

    My idea for the Doozers is to composite them into more shots and we could see more of the Fraggles from head to toe. Those bits could either be CG or blue screened. Probably a combination of both. Jim Henson was interested in technology and pushing the limits of what you could do as long as it maintained the quality and spirit of the work.

    What about Fraggles From Space? JUST KIDDING! LOL!
  12. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Another major, major hurdle with Fraggle is convincing retailers and merchants that there is a significant market for Fraggle Rock. Outside of Hot Topic's shirts and a few scenes in the Muppet RaceMania game, there hasn't been any Fraggle merchandise for ten years, especially in terms of video and music releases. Henson has tried to be active recently for Fraggle's 20th anniversary (like the Dark Crystal), it just takes the right partners (as we have seen with Palisades Muppet line).

    Once the ball gets rolling with a few DVD's (hopefully in the next 12 months), the possibility exists for some momentum. It's just not easy because product developers want to know why the show isn't on just like we do, before they invest thousands and thousands of dollars in a new product.

    I love Fraggle myself, always have since the first episode premiered. As passionate as we all are about the Muppets, many Fraggle fans are the most devoted ones out there. Support of the show with big DVD sales would help in getting the show back on somewhere. Then the possibilities of merchandise or a reunion special would be more realistic.

    "Bring back the wonder, we knew long along." :excited:
  13. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Guys,

    I dont think id want a new Show or Specials, Im like the old one too much, If you know what I mean.


    But i am up for something for a DVD or a documentary with some new footage.
    All theyd need is one set of cave scenery and some Doozer towers. The use the Fraggles and Doozers in that set.

    Im not sure about Doc and Sprocket, Maybe if the Puppeteers get interviewed then i would like to see Doc talking about the show as himself, An actor. But then have Sprocket with him as if he is a real live dog, That would be fun.

    Id also want Jerry Juhl to say some stuff about it, I think he is the person who would need to write the Docu script too.

    I think Henson are crazy (unless they are waiting for the Sony deal to end), All they have to do is go to eBay and see that people are paying around $50 for like 20 bad quality VCD episodes !

    see ya
  14. Sir Didymus

    Sir Didymus New Member

    I'm praying the Henson's will do more with Fraggle Rock. I really am.

    Jake
  15. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    I would love to see some kind of speical or something. I would love that. Loving what frogboy said. I would love to see more Fraggle Rock things. It doesn't matter how they would do it. Me want more fraggles. *Grunts* Love fraggles. So hope they do something with the fraggles. Come on Sony and Henson get with it.
  16. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Active Member

    Well I would like to see more, maybe even some new, Fraggle Rock episode/specials but Henson should also be very carefull if they chose to do more with the Fraggles.
    If they not careful then it could be seen as a way just to earn more money by building on something valuable. Just look at the endless low budget and low quality sequels from Disney, Henson should not end up by doing that. If they come to a conclusion that Fraggle Rock are to expensive for them then don't do more, just give us all the episodes on DVD insteed.

    Maybe it would be to expensive to do a new Fraggle Rock but Henson don't have to do it alone they can do a coproduction of it. They should try and look to Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. The tv staions & production companys have made many copoductions of children productions in the later years. They would have been to expensive for them to make them self. Maybe something like that could be worked out with stations around the world. I think that it was in this way that Fraggle Rock got it's funding from before.
  17. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Yeah i'm really more with BlueFrackle on this one, i just wouldn't want anything new production wise at all. Something for a DVD, or a live appearance would be fine but otherwise i don't think the original should be touched in any way. Fraggle is too special for that, and as Phil said, Fraggle fans are the most passionate and i'd think the most protective. I say leave it alone - they just need to get the original back on TV somewhere and hopefully some licenses could be sold from a nostalgia viewpoint. Of course i fully realise they're unlikely to remake any puppets they're missing just for a DVD or live show.

    For the record, 'Fraggles From Space' would be more painful than tonsilitis ! :eek:
  18. King Prawn

    King Prawn New Member

    Now i'm not sure if this is the Fraggle Fan in me talking or the Clever me with a great idea, you guys decide.

    I think a good oppotunity for Henson to take and see if the Fraggles still have an audiance is allow Palisades to make The Fraggle Five or maybe just Uncle Matt, see how these sell, this would also help people to consider and remember or relise that these are Muppets.

    Now the problem is I don't want to say give Palisades the oppotunity to make the Fraggle Five becuase if the first one (Lets say it's Boober) did not sell well then we'd have only one of the Fraggle Five (Boober) and that in my opinion is worse than not having non at all. So then the obviouse solution would be to produce Matt as he alone would not be as dissapointing as having either Gobo, Wembley, Boober, Mokey or Red alone nut then the problem is I believe fans (Not us) would not remember Matt as well as the others.

    So what i'm saying is that Henson have a great oppotunity to find out if the Fraggles would still sell, If they could simply allow Palisades (without them having to pay extra for the license) to produce any character from Fraggle Rock and see how it sells.

    Does this sound like a good idea or like a Fraggle Fan finding anyway he can to get his Fraggles as Action Figures :smirk: :excited: :zany: :excited: :smirk:
  19. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    King Prawn,

    It must be the British air, 'Cause i was thinking the same thing too !

    If Palisades were to do something like 'The World Jim Henson' and include a line of different characters from different shows, Then we could tell what the demand is for Fraggles.

    I do think it would work, Its risky using Matt because he isnt no Gobo or Red. But still i think it would work.

    I can just see the fans getting ready to go out and get him before it sells out now!


    see ya
  20. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    .... the last one, but that shows a devoted fan !

    Henson can't just start allowing a company to use their other licenses for free, they are all legally seperate creative properties. I think if they did it for one, others would demand it too. To do 'World Of Henson' Palisades would need to buy loads of the rights. I think a Fraggle here and there in the Muppet line may well sell as good as any Muppet to the hardcore fans, but i think the average person on the street and the hardcore action figure collectors probably wouldn't take to the idea while the show isn't even on air.


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