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Full-body costume puppets

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by ScottMonster, Jan 21, 2003.

  1. Show and Tell

    Show and Tell Well-Known Member

    *snatches pick axe Blink has in his other hand, poised at puppet planets juggular*
    Who do you think you are fooling here? Nothing in you first statement was in any way "just stating facts". It was a vicious slam and not really appropriate. If you have any sence of decentcy about you, you will stop this garbage form spreading any further. In other words to be quite blunt "Shut up already" No one wants to hear anymore about it.:mad:
  2. Puppetplanet

    Puppetplanet Well-Known Member

    LOL! Yikes Puppet Builder! Things have just settled down to a dull roar! Play nice and help me with this Fraggle Cave Please!

    Anyway...... is that what this thread was about? Full Body Costumes? Your idea for Halloween sounds really cool. Did you start on it yet? Would love to see progress photos as your building.

  3. Blink

    Blink Well-Known Member

    Dude what do you know about it? Buck has even said itself it is a fact. The issue as I understood it was that people felt it was an attack because they didn't think the comment was fair or relevant. I disagree. As puppet planet said this is a public forum, so I am entitled to stating my opinion. Frankly, I am not interested in fooling you. Think what you think, it makes little difference to me. Like I said, if Buck has a problem with it he can contact me himself.

    The garbage that you are talking about stopped. You are the one now opening it up again. You are right, no one wants to hear about it anymore so practice what you preach.

    - Blink :cool:
  4. Puppetplanet

    Puppetplanet Well-Known Member

    ALRIGHT ALREADY! Can't we all just get along?

    The subject has been talked to death...... it's dead, no pulse, flat line!

    *kicks subject*

    See, no response..... just leave it there to rot..... okay?
  5. Blink

    Blink Well-Known Member

    Yes, yes, yes yes, yes. On this point we absolutely agree.

    *checks subject's pulse*

    Yep, it's dead.

    - Blink :)
  6. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    Need help w/ Fraggle cave? *stands there w/ shovel* Oh sorry about Pig Piling on u. *holds out hand*
  7. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Just before we finish sweeping up and send this thread off to MC heaven (or would it be hades?) I wanted to address a few statements and make a point of saying that the drawing Blink referred to was in fact copied from somewhere else - but when I was still a kid.

    I couldn't find my copy of the sketch, but I believe it's from like `92 or `93 or something. I have a copy of the book he mentioned in a drawer somewhere (there's a suspiciously similar image in some of Corel's clip art too). At the time I gave him the sketch (2000? 2001?) I had probably forgotten what it had originated from.

    This is increasingly a big problem for artists I think. I've heard of composers that won't listen to music while they're writing for fear they'll accidently infringe on someone else's work. TV shows employ entire departments to research and clear trademarks and copyrights (that's why coke cans usually have their logos disguised on TV).

    One of the problems I've had to deal with doing Bear Town is copyright issues. Most of the characters were originally designed when I was 13 or 14. Several of the puppets in the original BT video were store-bought or converted stuffed animals. We used a Boglin in it if memory serves and I think a few of the background puppets were bought at a flea market. Of course you can't do that which is one of the reasons we remade it two years later and there's no video from the `94 version on the site now.

    Anyway, if the two characters ended up in Bear Town they'd have to be altered significantly.

    Last year I had to go through a bunch of old puppets and sketches and sort out what was truly original and what may have been inspired or copied from something I saw as kid to avoid problems like this. A couple of characters got cut because they were just too similar to other things people have done. It was a huge pain to deal with so when I suggest (and it's just a suggestion) building original stuff from the get-go I know of what I speak.

    As for the two Big Bears thing, I know Steve occasionally checks the forum and if he's reading this no offense was intended. The similarities are rediciously small (name, type of bear) which was kind of my point. People can and do make lawsuits out of less over less in copyright law and courts seem to have little regard for creator's rights. It isn't right, but it is happening.

    Also, I should say Steve's Big Bear is a great puppet...best of all he actively ENCOURAGES people to use his copyrighted characters in their videos (he compiles a highlight reel every once and awhile), so long as the credits mention that they are (c) Axtell Expressions. He's one of the good guys.

    I've heard Folkmanis has a similar policy and they seem to have endorsed the Funday Pawpet Show (which uses their puppets) so not all companies are evil when it comes to copyright.

    *Turns off the lights and closes the door* ;)
  8. ScrapsFlippy

    ScrapsFlippy Well-Known Member

    Hey - IM Buck if you want to talk directly to Buck. Or, if you are such great "friends" pick up the telephone. Don't air your dirty laundry here, and don't patronize us. "I was NOT trying to manipulate" indeed! This is a public forum, pal. You just hatched an open-letter to Buck accusing him of theft. NOT cool. :mad:

    If you want to rant about Buck, post a blog on your website like any reasonable person would.

    -- Scraps
  9. Marky

    Marky Well-Known Member

    Wow! Wasn't this an MC history lesson!
  10. No Peep Holes

    At Disney's California Adventure in Anaheim, CA, in the show Playhouse Disney Live on Stage, I performed as Bear from BBBH. Two cameras were wired into Bears eyes, and over my head inside of Bear, I watched on a goggle-mounted monitor system, and could "see through Bears eyes." I had totally forgoten about having to see out of a puppet without such a device. Monitors are technical but make such "peep holes" un-nessecary. I want to develop a full body character with all of that brilliant technology. I could develop and build it and my husband could wire the cameras and monitor (we met when he was my technician for Bear).

    Disney, in there other full-body characters revolutionized the performer visibility. One thing that worked well is painted, thick, reticulated scott foam, the same used for puppet construction.
  11. MuppetDude

    MuppetDude Well-Known Member

    The Gorgs from Fraggle Rock use the same mechanism.
  12. Arislan

    Arislan Active Member

    Hmmm and nobody answered the question as to where to find the Bert and Ernie shirt materials.
  13. amelia turner

    amelia turner Member

    I have no idea how to navigate this site, i've just joined, but i'd like to put a question to everyone, i hope someone can help me :) I'm from the UK and i'd like to get a job working for television designing or engineering full body suit puppets like Big bird, bear in the big blue house & the monsters off Where the wild things are, etc. I am aware that in order to get a job in this industry I would have to take some kind of University Degree equivalent course. Please could you suggest what kind of relevant courses are available to me or what other route I would need to take to get a job in this subject? Kind regards, Amelia.
  14. Animal31

    Animal31 Well-Known Member

    Hi Amelia,

    Try the Puppet Building forum as well, also, self promotion never hurts. Do you have any pics or videos of your work to post?
  15. amelia turner

    amelia turner Member

    Hey Animal31, thanks for taking the time to reply!
    To be honest i'm pretty new to the game, i've been on Fashion design and Costume design courses for the last few years so I've only made one small hand puppet myself. I dont have a lot to show for it, just a passion. That's why I'm looking for a puppetry course that will give me a great start and get in the industry.
  16. Animal31

    Animal31 Well-Known Member

    Passion is a BIG part of it, I'm pretty new to it myself, only did costume designs and set design before this for local projects.

    Good luck in your search, and please keep us posted of your progress and findings!!!
  17. amelia turner

    amelia turner Member

    Hey again Animal31, It's nice to know i'm not the only one with little previous puppetry experience! Makes me feel less alone in this big world :)
    I'll defo be sure to keep you updated on my interweb travels, haha.
  18. i kinda like these angel fire puppets
  19. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Well-Known Member

    Amelia, consult UNIMA's website, UNIMA USA has a comprehensive list of puppetry schools around the world, there are quite a few in the UK and if you don't mind living on the continent for a while there are hundreds of places to train and study.

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