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Give Bert some respect

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Uncle deadly, Dec 9, 2004.

  1. lowerstreet

    lowerstreet New Member

    I like Ernie, but I've always identified with Bert more. :p :(

    I agree people tend to like Ernie more, but perhaps he is more mischievious, while Bert is more "boring", like a parental figure.

    I do like both of them, though. I agree they are best when together.
  2. Princeton

    Princeton Guest

    Not to go too much off topic, but I think that Rod and Nicky from Avenue Q were modeled after :p and :( . Between B and E, I'd have to say Bert's my fav; partly because he's a total opposite of Ernie and also because, as was said before, he's very underappreciated. Now, between R and N, I love them both. Nicky because I think he's the sweetest Q character and Rod because I can do his voice DEAD ON! So, I guess I'm biased. Vive la Bert!
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  3. DTF

    DTF Member

    I liked Bert best, too. As a child I was always very mature, and seemed a little "boring" to kids who weren't very nice. I never got in trouble, and was always into a book. Oh, I still played and got really silly, the totally unscripted silliness of our play was total hilarity with all our action figures mix3ed together and the plots so goofy and complex... But, I always thought of the Ernie part of me as what I'd have if I had a little brother; aas I've said I always thought B&E were brothers.

    As to the connection w/Aspergers, I don't know if the origianl poster will post b/c (and I know this from a couple online friends with it, plus I was never diagnosed but it's possible I have a teensy bit) he or she might not know how to explain it himself or5 be all that comfortable explaining it, but:
    People with Asperger's exhibit some autistic traits but not all. They don't have the learning difficulties but really tend to "think outside the box" sometimes and can be very creative. (Michelangelo was one, so was an inventor named Trevithick who did some work early int he Industrial Revolution.)
    Asperger's Syndrome causes people to cling to fictional worlds sometimes because they are more comfortable to them for the reason that the characgters always act the same, you know how things are going to be. It is hard for someone with Asperger's to make friends because they cannot read social cues, etc., very well., and so they are often worried they are doing something wrong b/c they don't know how to tell if they are. (Hence the poster apologized and you didn't know what he or she was apologizing for in this thread.)
    Therefore, I would say the reason they are so special is one or both of the following:
    1. B&E were a fictional duo that the person fixated on growing up, like they had alltheir skits memorized and stuff; and/or,
    2. Ernie, like a child, can get on Bert's nerves sometimes. He can't seem to sense when Bert wants to be left alone/is busy/etc.. And yet, Ernie and Bert remain good friends despite this problem. Such a thing might have given the poster much more confidence to attempt to make friends/deal with problem situations because they saw Ernie do it successfully.

    That sound about right?
  4. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    It just so happens that I have Asperger's too! And so do quite a few of us here on Muppet Central. And I think it may very well be partially the reason why we like Sesame Street at all. One thing I have noticed about people with Asperger's is that they have interests that are rather strange, but not harmful, like Sesame Street. I have gotten a LOT of flak for liking this show, and people have made fun of me a LOT over the years. Most people I know just see it as a "baby show" and nothing more. Both of my parents understand why I like it. However, I know quite a few people who simply cannot. In fact, when I was about 7 or 8, I didn't even know there was an age limit on the show, I thought it could be for anyone to watch. I didn't know until a bunch of kids in school told me. They all said different things, like, "We don't like Sesame Street! It's a stupid show! IT'S FOR BABIES! IT'S A BABY SHOW!" And honestly, I didn't even believe them. I thought they were all pulling my leg or something. And I never saw it as a show that was just for kids, I saw it as a show for everyone. In fact, I even know some parents who would not want their older kids watching that stuff. In fact, a member of Muppet Central (I won't name names) actually stayed over my house for over a month. He's very nice, but no one in his family could ever understand why he liked it so much, and his mother always tried to do what she could to get him to stop watching it. But she could never do anything, because he always watched it anyway.
  5. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    That's interesting. I have Asperger's too, but I had no idea it was so common on these forums.
  6. Pug Lover

    Pug Lover New Member

    Anyone who believes Sesame Street to be a show for babies is narrow minded if you ask me.I am 34 years old,and I currently own The Best Of Ernie & Bert and Cookie Monster's Best Bites on VHS,and Sesame Street Rock & Roll on DVD.You don't have to be a preschooler to enjoy this stuff.After all,this is a free country. :p :( :)
  7. DTF

    DTF Member

    I said the same thing about VeggieTales during a devotional for kids in the one ministry I work in. They laughed when I said I love VeggieTales, but as I explained, you can get lots of enjoyment out of the humorous songs & the way in which they dom the morallesson/Bible story. A giant pickle representing Goliath. King Nebby K. Nezer and his choclate factory, and the huge chocolate statue of himself.

    I think the Henson brilliance has left SS but it still remains at Big Idea.
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  8. muppet maniac

    muppet maniac Well-Known Member

    There will be a tv special focusing on the duo travelling around the world. Expect it to air later this year.

    Sesame Workshop is producing the special with National Geographic.
  9. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Are you referring too 'Shalom Sesame?' Quite a few of them have been released on video.
  10. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Well-Known Member

    Really? Neat--where did you hear about this?

    :p :(
  11. Kimp the Shrimp

    Kimp the Shrimp Active Member

    i'd love to see that
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Bert is ok

    Yea ok Bert is an ok guy. I just think Steve and Eric need to devlope a closer relationship. so The Ernie and Bert Relationship and Grow as well.
  13. muppet maniac

    muppet maniac Well-Known Member

  14. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Well-Known Member

    Thanks! That sounds great!
  15. MeepEeep

    MeepEeep New Member

    Thoughts on Bert

    I think, that Bert does have some quailties of Aspberger's Syndrome. However, I think one of the main symptoms of this would be that he seems to have OCD. You know all the collecting, the organizing of the collections, freaking out if the collections get messed up. It's classic Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

    I think in that respect, Bert should be respected for providing a realistic view of people who have some sort of personality disorders. Or at least showing someone, who has OCD in a realistic light. There really aren't many kids shows out there, that deal with kids who have emotional disabilities.

    It seems that Jim Henson was very intelligent, in having characters on the show, who despite having what most people now would consider psychological disorders, are able to function well.
  16. MeepEeep

    MeepEeep New Member


    I totally relate to you ssetta. Most of what I watch on TV is cartoons. I like Law & Order, and the horror films. Which one of the things most people think is weird about me. I like cartoons AND horror films. It's kind of disturbing, don't you think? LoL

    I think people who say shows like Sesame Street are for babies, are people who are too insecure to like the things they liked as a child, regardless of age. I tell people who say things, like that to me about kid shows I watch, adults are the ones who develop these shows.

    In alot if not all cartoons, you will see hidden adult humor meant for the adult's watching the show with their kids. Or also just in there because of the cartoonist's personal experience with childhood. Alot of what I see is references to bullies stealing people's lunch money, there are shows like Hey Arnold! which really shows what it's like growing up in the city. If anything, cartoons are the only shows on TV anymore with decent moral values.

    They show people treating each other humanely. Sometimes I think that alone, is on it's way out. You hear so much negativity all the time. If you're female, you're fat, not pretty. If your a guy, well I don't have a brother or any guy friends right now, but I do know if your a guy you tend to get beaten up alot in school, unless you're one of the guys doing the beating up.

    This stuff doesn't matter in cartoons at all. If it is mentioned in cartoons, there is a uplifiting moral to the story, where the bully learns the person they've victimized have feelings too, and they make up at the end.

    I would love to work in the cartooning industry, but there are two things I have against me:

    1. Location: I'm in Chicago. Most cartoons are made like in New York, Florida. I guess there probaly is a studio in Chicago. However on to number 2, which will probaly clarify number 1 a bit more..

    2. I was born with a handwriting disability: I can draw, but not very good. I never was able to get detail right in my pictures. I can play video games very well though, which is kind of odd. You'd think if someone has a motor skills problem in regards to writing, that the motor skills also would carry over to problems in video games.

    I do hear however, that alot of people with Aspberger's Syndrome, are good at video games. Video games provide a logical, puzzle like, challenge. I think while Aspberger's people are very smart, we don't really get the social stuff. This is what I was told all through school, "She doesn't get social cues", I don't really think they're right though. With Video Games it's something that deals with straight logic, unlike being social which really is very illogical.

    Like, wondering why when you're nice to someone they aren't nice back. Or, wondering how and why people desire to be mean to others. Perhaps this is where people see Aspberger's Syndrome people as being more childlike.

    I recently heard, that there are studies that belive that John Lennon had Aspberger's Syndrome. You can really see it in his simplicity towards life, and love. All You Need is Love. It seems like a very romantic but unrealistic look at life.

    Alot of my time is understanding why can't I have friends, or do I need to be mean like the other people to get friends. Why isn't just being nice and caring good enough anymore. I'm wondering if those of you who also have Aspberger's Syndrome here, feel that way.

    Also, on mentioning John Lennon. I would highly reccomend you see the reissue of Yellow Submarine on DVD. I own it, and it's my favorite film. It's just so cute, and whimsical. I also think I like it, because I'm female and American. So I think guys who speak with a British accent are really cute. Like there's a part where the band goes back in time in the submarine, and Ringo turns back into a kid and he's like " :cry: I want me mum!" That's just so adorable. LoL

    Also I like the Blue Meanies. The lead blue meanie is ROFLOL. He's just nuts. Like he goes "Bring me my bluuueeebirrrds *tongue hanging out of mouth* grrraarrrrhahahaha" He's like psychotic, but the funny kind of psychotic. Like Looney Tunes.
  17. Boober_Gorg

    Boober_Gorg Active Member

    Consider Boober Fraggle: he also has many traits that can be associated with AS:

    -Boober is a whiz at things that no other Fraggle seems to be quite as good at (laundry, cooking, "anting").

    -Boober takes things more seriously than the others, and complains when they don't see how he feels and when he doesn't get his way (I Don't Care - this may be the best possible piece of evidence).

    -Boober is sometimes oblivious to what he does to others (Scared Silly).

    -Boober often doesn't like to admit that he's part of the crowd even though it feels nice to be such (Marooned). His resent towards his fun-loving alter ego, Sidebottom, further reveals this evidence.

    -Whenever there's a disaster, Boober's initial reaction is to panic and cower, but no matter how high the stakes, he knows he must help his friends out (Pebble Pox Blues, The River Of Life).

    -Finally, he has his occasional "goofy" moments (The Incredible Shrinking Mokey).

    PS. Check out my website (link below) to see what I collect ...
  18. muppet maniac

    muppet maniac Well-Known Member

  19. DTF

    DTF Member

    MeepEeep (hope I got the right number of E's :), you are so right. I know, it's hard. You're right, you don't have to live like the world. I don't know where I'd be without Christian friends and my faith - might not be here at all.

    Lots of my friends started drifting away around high school/college back int he early 1990s, especially - some stayed, to be sure, but even int he late '80s, I should have been able to tell there was a difference, they were enjoying the funny, wholesome stuff they used to. I had always tried to do what's right just for the sake of it being right, but when friendships started to topple, that's when I went from h ead knowledge to heart knowledge of the Lord.

    But, enough preaching, there is a terrible tendency ont he part of the whole world to dismiss wholesome, quality stuff, but there will always be people like me and you who like things without all that meanness int hem. There is no such thing as "adult" language/entertainment/etc., that "adult" word is just a cop-out for people wanting to be mean and calling it their right, when in fact they don't have a right to destroy or downgrade you, you are the one with the right to stand up for what's right.

    Hope I've been able to be something of an encouragement with those words.

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