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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mo Frackle, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Jeff Bergman is also high on my list of Fred Flintstones. Kevin Michael Richardson's Barney sounds closer to Mel Blanc's season one Barney. Not that that's a problem. But I personally would have gone with Frank Welker.

    Another Top Cat movie, supposedly with much of the same crew from the 2011 flick, is also in the works. Speaking of which, TC: The Movie could have been so much better. The voice acting was pretty solid (though I'm still mixed on the choice of 'updating' Spook and Fancy for modern viewers), but the script just screams "direct-to-video."
     
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Weird. I wonder if Frank's still doing any bit parts or animal noises. Sometimes he's just too expensive. Unless Warners decided to keep the On the Rocks cast as the official cast. I dunno. Personally, I'm glad that a Flintstones anything is happening. It's thankfully still on Boomerang, but as I said, an entire generation knows them from cereal and vitamins. I really miss syndicated animation reruns.

    Well, that stems from being not made for the US. It's a rarity to see an American cartoon produced exclusively for an overseas (or in this case, south of the boarder) audience. There was a weird TMNT OVA in Japan we never saw (legally and without the internet that is), and a weird Japanese Little Lulu series that we did get, and the dubbing was...just poor. Bad music and voice acting by people who have never seen the original cartoons. Top Cat the movie is a weird bird. A Mexican film that was never meant to get out of the Latin American market. Even when it got dubbed, the UK got a dub in first. Somehow that character is still popular in Latin America (even had a bad disco album back in the day). TC is virtually forgotten unless you're a die hard HB fan.
     
  3. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    They're still on Boomerang for now, anyway. There's no telling where they'll be when that Boomerang rebrand kicks in next year. Scooby, T&J, and the Looney Tunes are staying, though I'm not sure if this exclusively means the 21st century era projects or not.

    But either way, I'm glad any HB series that isn't Scooby or T&J is getting some attention. Proper attention, that is. No CGI flicks with celebrities voicing the characters.
     
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  4. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks for posting this. I've always been a big fan of all things Flintstones and this is the first I've heard of the new production. Love the first season look to the animation that's present here. I'm looking forward to seeing this develop.
     
  5. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    I think it's hysterical, my generation certainly remembers the Flintstones for cereal and vitamins, but my parents' generation remembers them for Winston cigarettes (the show's original primetime sponsor).
    Fred and Barney turning their lungs black. Back when cigarettes were 35 cents a pack.
     
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And contrary to popular belief, the only reason they were no longer the sponsors was because they pulled funding from the show because that's when Wilma was pregnant. But Welches stepped in and Pebbles loved her some grape juice.

    Anyway, I give huge props to Boomerang by using the original openings to the show instead of just the generic final opening with the Rubbles going to the drive in with the Flintstones. I swear, I've never seen the one where Pebbles is playing with Legos and Fred only takes his family to the Drive in until recently. Not to mention the not even using the iconic theme version from the very start of the show. I've seen that one before, just never the variant of the popular one they used when Pebbles was first introduced.
     
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  7. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Just like with I Love Lucy where the original network openings had little stick figures of Lucy and Desi hawking the show's sponsor Philip Morris, also courtesy of H-B. Most youngsters are familiar with the heart logo against a satin BG used in reruns (myself included), but were unaware of the original until the DVD release, and to a lesser extent the TV Land version that edited out that eeeeeevil tobacco plug, making a lot of people think that the intro was custom-made for TV Land itself.

     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    What can I say? Syndication kills. Generic openings, scenes cut out... When I watched Flintstones anywhere else (I guess the DVD's had them uncut, and I wish I actually invested in them when they went deeply discounted), I got the standard "Meet The Flintstones" opening with Fred picking up the Rubbles on the way to the drive in. By that token, the ending was also different (not by much, Fred still orders the ribs and the car tips over, but you see their pets on the side).

    Now, back to the subject of HB cartoons... while it was certainly an off shoot, anyone else think it's weird that up to a certain point, Ruby Spears cartoons are retroactively considered Hanna Barbera ones? I have the completely amazing and underrated 1979 Plastic Man cartoon, produced by RS, and the DVD back packaging credits Hanna-Barbera instead of RS, complete with the modern logo. Strangely, none of the Super Friends DVD's have that and they were produced by HB. Yet, The Chipmunks and especially Mega Man are considered something completely different, regardless of the copyright ownership. Strange. But I suggest checking out that Plastic Man series. It's quite good.

    Also, for those of you with big enough wallets and wall space...

    Mondo Hanna Barbera Prints

    I agree with the comments. While I get what they were trying to do with Hong Kong Phooey, the others look much better and much more classic and retro. I'd love a Saul Bass inspired HKP piece instead of the wild one we have, even though I kinda like it. I especially like the Johnny Quest and Flintstones ones. Love how the Flintstone one is a movie poster for a specific episode.
     
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    As long as it's not Seth MacFarlane trying to revive the Flintstones like he's been trying to for years - that would be a travesty.
     
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    He's too busy and there was no way that would have gotten of the ground. And it would have been far from a travesty. HB did much worse to the Flintstones since their first series. Pebbles and Bamm Bamm being bubblegum musicians, Pebbles and Bamm Bamm being preschool edu-tainers... heck, it's not pleasant to say that The Flintstone Kids is one of the good ones. The 70's really weren't kind to the stone age family, frankly (though the Cave Kids cartoon was from the late 90's, early 00's or something... but it is yeeeeeccccch). I had faith in his project, as he was a huge fan, but it's not happening and all we're getting is the WWE movie.

    Which gets me to thinking... if the show did come back under Seth, I could totally see an episode where Fred and Barney get caught up in a house flipping get rich quick scheme. Everytime I hear that radio ad for house flipping seminars, I automatically shout "Do they think everyone is Fred Flintstone?!"
     
  11. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Well, I finally got a chance to check out one of those Mork & Mindy cartoons from the early 80's (produced by HB, but farmed out to Ruby-Spears). I belive Drtooth mentioned this in another thread - the cartoon's biggest issue was that it didn't allow Robin Williams to improvise. I suppose we can't really say for sure if that's true, but when watching an episode, it's far too obvious.

    A writer on the series had this to say:

    Source: http://my-retrospace.blogspot.com/2008/08/cartoon-adaptations-of-tv-shows.html
     
  12. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    When CN Boomerang added the Flintstones to its lineup, the original opening and closing title sequences of Seasons 1 & 2 were restored, with the original "Rise and Shine" theme music, as Fred drives home via the Bedrock Freeway in the opening sequence, and the closing sequence features Wilma asleep in bed while Fred pulls the cover over the birdcage, and the saber-toothed cat runs back into the house and locks the front door so Fred can't get back in.....
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    What made Mork and Mindy great was Robin. Even in the dumbest episodes in the dumbest seasons, just letting him go and riff made any episode funnier. There's clearly a difference between cartoon series production and movie production when it comes to animation. Disney let Robin do what he did best, I wouldn't be surprised if Ruby Spears didn't want him to go off script for budget and timing concerns. But for whatever the reason, even if the writing sucked, if Robin was free to go all out, even just partially out, the show would have been a million times better. Of course, a million times one... but you get the idea.

    I have to admit, though, I saw Happy Day's cartoon series (it's on hulu) and it's actually not horrible. It has a level of fun to it, despite the fact the dog's pretty annoying. You almost wonder what it would have been if it were the Doctor Who license they tried and failed to pursue.

    I'd imagine this was around the advent of DVD or something. It's great that we can see the Flintstones episodes more or less as they once were. Up until I knew about that opening (I was young at the time) I always wondered why Pebbles and Bamm Bamm were there when the characters weren't introduced yet. But I guess it was just easier to market the show with the well known "Meet the Flintstones" theme instead of as they were for syndication markets.

    But, honestly, the Meet the Flintstones opening where they just introduced Pebbles but before Bamm Bamm was new to me as of a few weeks ago. I've been watching the show for years, but wasn't aware of that one, like I was Rise and Shine. Again, syndication. I'm glad more companies are trying to preserve the classic versions of the shows rather than the ones that were more accessible in the day.

    (though I HATE how when they reran Bosom Buddies on MeTV, they used the crappy other opening theme song that wasn't the Billy Joel song. Music rights issues, amiright?
     
  14. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member



     
  15. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the HD cartoon was okay. It had decent storylines, for one thing. And the cast certainly didn't mail in their performances. Though I'm guessing Anson Williams didn't want to be involved with the series. Now that I think about it, the dog is almost a fill-in for Potsie (or a poor-man's Scooby-Doo, depending on how you look at it).

    Ironic that the cartoon premiered the same season Ron Howard and Don Most left the live action series. Also ironic that Didi Conn (the actress who voiced "Cupcake") appeared in the live action HD series at least once in an early episode.

    I've also gotten to see a few of the HB Little Rascals cartoons. Also not that bad of a series. At least the writers got the characters right, something that most of the series' reboots tend to not do so well at.

    Now if I can just track down the Laverne and Shirley cartoons...

    You know, I never cared much for the 'realistic' character designs HB (and Filmation, for that matter) tried out during the 70's and 80's.

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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I want to say I almost saw a Lavern and Shirley cartoon back when I saw the Mork and Mindy one a couple years ago on YT before the copyright police pulled it down.

    I was surprised that the Happy Days cartoon was actually decent. There has been a strange line of cartoons based off of sitcoms, and there would have been a LOT more had Filmation got their way. But out of all of them, the only one I think was great was what they did with ALF. Heck, I think it surpassed the sitcom itself. Expanding ALF's backstory on Melmac with wacky concepts that were so defined they pretty much built an entire world of weirdness. And the fairytale based spinoff did some creative things to those stories. Jack and the Beanstalk as a series of Hitchcock films? Amazing.
     
  17. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I've been meaning to look at the ALF cartoons. That catchy 80's theme song is enough to make me interested.

    I'll be glad if at least some HB shows will remain on Boomerang once the big rebrand kicks in next year. But I'm not keeping my hopes up.
     
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    There's a great level of background development. They built a world, and that's impressive. Everything right on to having Melmacians catapulted across the street instead of walking. I'd say the humor's actually more sharp than the original TV show, especially when you get to ALFTales.

    They've already started putting Teen Titans Go on that thing. Like CN doesn't already have it on way too many times a day as is. I don't see why they can't bring back Boomeraction and the original Titans series. They had it up until a month after I got cable.
     
  19. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    As for the Flintstones' WWE movie crossover (I'm starting to wonder if the John Cena-Fruity Pebbles special edition box had anything to do with the film's development), The Flintstones and WWE: Stone Age Smackdown has a scheduled Blu-Ray/DVD release date of March 17th, nearly 2 weeks before WrestleMania XXXI is scheduled to take place at Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara, CA:

     
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Fortunately, after they did try to pry away The Flintstones for all of 2 weeks, someone must've complained and at least, as far as HB shows go, Tom and Jerry, Scooby-Doo, Flintstones, and Smurfs are at least still there. My complaint is that it turned into the Garfield Show network, and he still gets a good 4 hours a day of programming. Also hate that they feel the need to put Teen Titans Go, not even the original series, the cartoon that already gets a crapload of airtime, more than any other show on CN, HAD to be added to the schedule because it's not on nearly enough. Gumball, too... but at least that show's consistently funny and has very biting commentaries in it. TTG is all like, sure we could do hilarious, backhanded references to the comics and original cartoon series, but it's much funnier to do an episode about not chewing your food.

    Quite possibly. Thing is, from what I read a while back, the tie-in was something to do with an inside joke. I think it was that Fruity Pebbles was his nickname somehow. Then there was the unfortunate choice to have a certain Basketball star be the face of Cocoa Pebbles. I can't remember if anything was done about that, or if the promotion ended naturally.

    But moreover, it's great The Flintstones is getting another project after the Seth MacFarline series failed to materialize. All due to workload, of course. I still think it should have been made with adult swim in mind, not Fox. While I have to admit, Flinstone projects made after the series initially ended were, at best, mixed bag (it's a shame that the Muppet Babies knockoff Flintstones series is one of the good ones), we're pretty much getting a generation of kids who only know the characters from cereal (they're not even in the commercials anymore), vitamins (we're they're no longer the monopoly of kid shapes), and of course parodies and references and the fact that Fred Flintstone is the first caveman that comes to mind (like Kermit when frogs are mentioned or Mickey with mice). Or that weird and unfair comparison to "The Croods." Yeah, they're a family of cave people. That's where the analogy begins and ends.
     

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