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Happytime Murders...

Discussion in 'Henson Alternative' started by Space Muppet, Sep 16, 2018.

  1. Space Muppet

    Space Muppet Active Member

    While working as a background puppeteer on 'Muppets From Space,' I approached Brian Henson & asked him a question about a piece of business I was doing in one particular scene. He looked at me like I owed him money. 'And you are...?' That's the vibe he gave off. So you'll have to forgive me if my opinions are colored by my overall negative impression of the man. Having said that, let's begin...

    I first heard of 'Happytime Murders' years ago, it was common knowledge that Brian had been shopping it around all over Hollywood & no one was really interested. The only reason the film got made at all is because Melissa McCarthy & her husband came onboard & re-wrote the script. But the original idea was a bad one to begin with.

    I'm a fan of low-brow humor, as much as the next guy. But when puppets attempt it, it never really flies, it just seems perverse, like someone drawing a cock on a picture of Big Bird. Brian Henson of all people should know this. You'd have thought he would've learned his lesson after the abysmal failure of the 'adult' Muppet TV series.

    I haven't seen 'Happytime Murders' & I never will. The trailer was enough for me.
  2. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    Such a good post, especially the bit about Brian being a condescending douche; like you and him were working on the same project and there was still a wall between you guys as if he was some untouchable celebrity. I couldn't stomach stuff like that.
  3. Space Muppet

    Space Muppet Active Member

    Thanks, pal.
  4. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    Do I have to yell this? If you haven't actually watched the product, your opinion on it doesn't count. You have the right not to watch it, but if you haven't seen it, then how do you know it's actually as bad as you think?
  5. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    Also: we've got a thread for this. Why open up a second one just for your opinion and nothing more? It's just a waste of space and these kinds of threads keep clogging up our boards. How about we use existing threads and only create ones that have potential, or a reason for being created, eh?
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  6. Space Muppet

    Space Muppet Active Member

    I think the fact that the movie tanked at the box office & also got a lot of really bad reviews is a pretty good indication, pal.
  7. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    Mate if you have not seen the film. You have no right to comment on how good it is.

    I loved it. Reviews mean nothing

    @Space Muppet
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  8. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    That may be, but that has nothing to do with your opinion of the film, which should be formed after watching it. I thought it had a pretty mediocre trailer myself, but the final product was much better than expected, even if it had some flaws here and there. Critics and box office figures should mean diddly-squat.

    Key example: The Thing (1982). That film was completely trashed upon release, with reviewers calling it "gore for gore's sake" and considering E.T., which came out around the same time, the superior film. Fast-forward to today, where The Thing is considered a genre-defining film, one of the greatest of all time, certainly in horror scene, and E.T. is considered the inferior film.

    Another example: Moby Dick, which people thought too boring, long-winded, and nothing compared to Melville's earlier works. These days, it's widely considered one of the definitive American novels.

    Critics and figures mean nothing whatsoever. The only thing that does is the individual. No one knows what film will be held in a greater light in the years to come, so just because it's hated today doesn't mean it will be tomorrow.

    And I'm not calling The Happytime Murders a masterpiece by any means, but you definitely should watch it and form your own opinion instead of just following the mainstream crowd's.
  9. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    For helpful advice: you shouldn't always rely on those.

    And to be fair, there are movies that I (personally) thought were pretty good that got bad reviews and/or did pretty poorly in the box office.
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Ah, here we go again. Muppet Central: the forum where there's only one right opinion for everything, and if your opinion differs, you're wrong and dumb,
  11. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member


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  12. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member


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  13. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    To be fair though, I think that's everywhere on social media.
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  14. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    I'm really sorry Brian Henson gave you a bad impression. He probably didn't know you were one of the puppeteers just because, he wasn't the one who hired the puppeteers. He was kind enough to sign my copy of Jim Henson the Biography when I met him at DragonCon.
  15. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Oh no. How dare someone choose to not see a movie based on their own personal preferences!

    Quick! Let's tie them up with rope and tape their eyes open and force them to watch the movie!
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  16. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    That's not what I said. I said it's fine to not watch the movie, but it's not fine to criticize an entire movie without having seen it. There's a difference.
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  17. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    where was he even criticizing the movie? he just said he doesn't want to see it because he doesnt like the idea of raunchy puppets. saying the movie was a bad idea isn't saying the movie is bad. something can be an absolutely god awful idea and still be good
  18. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    To be fair there's a difference between greeting fans and working on a project.
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  19. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    @Sgt Floyd to be fair, he also jumped the gun and said don't watch the movie just because of the box office performance and reviews. That's where we kind of raised an eyebrow.

    It also didn't help that, as Snowth pointed out, his post gave off a "my belief is right and yours is wrong" vibe from reading it.
  20. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    His post gives off a "Brian is so stupid, the movie sucks, what a waste of space" yadda.

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