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Harry Potter and the order of the phoniex

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Jonathan, Jun 4, 2003.

  1. electricmayhem

    electricmayhem New Member

    I completely agree. I'm a teachers aide for a middle school theater class and all the kids in there were talking about Harry Potter and getting book 5 and whatnot and I just couldn't help thinking that the books are getting pretty sophisticated and younger readers might not understand them as much. I don't mean offense to anyone at all of course, it's just the plot lines are so intricate just in one book as well as across all the books and it is much deeper,darker story matter now(obviously). It just seems that as you get older, you appreciate them a little more fully. But of course, younger kids reading them now will have plenty of chance to do that as they reread them as the grow:)

    A question to any English person or someone who knows English slang: what exactly does "wotcher" mean. Tonks has used it a couple times and it just seems like it was in a different context at different times. Just curious :)
  2. wolfy

    wolfy Member

    I believe Ms Rowling has been writing the stories so that as Harry grows in the books, so do her readers. I think this was her intention the whole time...

    I don't recall when the first Potter book came out, but I would hazard a guess that it was at least two to three years ago. I know that both my boys have "grown up" with Harry, and they do seem to enjoy the books, even with the darker side to them.

    As for who dies, I'm not going to guess, but Rowling did say during her interview with Katie Couric on "Dateline" last Friday that this death "is the first of many to come..." Then she said something about "the wars are starting," whatever that means to you Potter readers...(again, never read the books, just seen the movies).

    As for the word "wotcher," let's see if Luke knows, and if not, then I will do some checking. My Mum is English, and so are my uncle and aunt, so I can always ask them...
    wolfy
  3. Don'tLiveonMoon

    Don'tLiveonMoon New Member

    I'm pretty sure the first book came out in 1998. I read it in early 1999.
    Erin
  4. wolfy

    wolfy Member

    TA-DAAAA!

    I found it!

    WOTCHA: Exclamation. A greeting. A shortening of what cheer! Also spelt wotcher. Mainly London use.

    This was found in "A Dictionary of Slang - Slang and Colloquialisms of the U.K."

    Hope it is helpful, Potter readers...
    wolfy
  5. electricmayhem

    electricmayhem New Member

    Ok, thanks, that helps:) I figured it was some sort of greeting.
  6. Jennifer12

    Jennifer12 New Member

    They keep getting better and better.....

    Wow! Stayed up last night to finish it and all I can say is...WOW! I didn't know if people would be giving away plot points on the board so I stayed away while I was reading the book and now I need to discuss it! But in looking over posts, it looks like people are keeping secrets, so I won't spoil it.

    It seems everyone knows "someone" dies, and when I got to that point I actually cried! I really liked that character and I'm bummed! I thought for sure it would be someone else... I won't say who to keep up the surprise, but I'm so sad...

    I will say there were a lot of references to the past books, and shamefully I couldn't remember a lot of the things mentioned because I read them over a year ago. I guess I'll have to go back and re-read. I do remember after finishing the fourth book thinking that Rowling couldn't possibly top herself, and she managed to do so with Order of the Phoenix. I wish I was such a talented writer! I know someone who fancies herself quite the writer and poo-poos the Harry Potter books (never having read them herself, of course). It gives me great pleasure to bring up the fact that this last books sold 5 million copies in the first weekend....

    Okay, enough rambling....

    Jennifer
  7. wolfy

    wolfy Member

    My son finished the book yesterday, too.

    What irked him was that, when he came down to talk to me about it, I had information from the new People magazine and was asking him questions about this and that in the book.

    Since he knows I haven't read one single one of Rowling's books, only seen the movies, he was puzzled at the questions I asked, then confronted me with "You got this from either Muppet Central or some magazine that blabbed, didn't you?"

    Well, I admitted that I had read it in People, and he was somewhat relieved. I forced who died out of him, then asked how he felt it might affect others. He, too, said that he liked this character and that he/she would be sorely missed, and that he did get upset over this character's death because it was a surprising one.

    When we discussed how Rowling had mentioned that this was just the beginning of the deaths as there is going to be a "wizard's war" of sorts, he said, "Yeah, I can see it might be coming. I'm going to be quite upset when I read of others dying, but sometimes it happens in books..."

    I then asked about someone's half-brother (new) and a few other things, and this does seem to be a great book that Rowling has written; perhaps her best.

    What I really like, though, is that her books have encouraged so many youngsters to pick up books and read in the first place. That is so great! Anything to tear them away from television and computerized games for a change...

    Go Rowling! Go Rowling! (This momma is happy!)
    wolfy
  8. Don'tLiveonMoon

    Don'tLiveonMoon New Member

    I also finished the book yesterday. Hooray!!! Except, of course, that I now have to wait who knows how long for the next installment... I thought that this volume was terrific, and Rowling continues to amaze me with the intracies of the world and characters she has created, and all of the interconnected plot points. She is really quite incredible, and as a writer I envy her greatly. The tone of this book was definitely the darkest yet, though there's been quite a bit of darkness in the preceding volumes. It grows steadily darker with each volume, and Harry's prevalent surliness cast an especially large shadow over Book 5. There were a couple characters I wanted to see more of, but I'm sure I will in the next volume(s). I hope it's not too long of a wait for Book 6!
    Erin
  9. electricmayhem

    electricmayhem New Member

    Well, I just finished yesterday too and I am just wowed. I too cried when the person died. This was one of my favorite charaters. I didn't even want to believe it had happened and I kept telling myself that it was a twist and it hadn't really happened. And then I cried big time at the end. It was just so good!! I'm going to read it again later this summer. I also really liked the story around another of the characters and absolutely wanted to kick someone when reading about another "teacher". Man, I hated her.

    Countdown to book 6: too long
  10. Don'tLiveonMoon

    Don'tLiveonMoon New Member

    Ooooohhh, she made me cringe!!! :mad: Even Snape looked good after her, especially by the end of the book...
    Erin
  11. Jennifer12

    Jennifer12 New Member


    Isn't Snape one of the most interesting characters, though? (Major kudos to whoever made the choice to cast Alan Rickman in that role in the movies!) Here's a man who's thoroughly unpleasant. The guy holds a grudge so long that it extends to the offspring of the guy he hates! The grudge traverses an entire generation of Potters, yet he always does the right thing. Like in the first book when he was protecting Harry and the kids thought he was trying to hurt him during the Quidditch game. He might dislike Harry immensely but he won't let him get hurt. And I'm not giving away anything to readers not through with Phoenix to say that Dumbledore trusts him. It would be hard to believe that Dumbledore could misplace his trust.

    Of course, there could be a major plot twist and I could be way off. I'd love to see a showdown between Snape and Lucius Malfoy.

    I'm dying to talk about the book but I don't want to give anything away, so if anyone wants to email me off this board, I'm jenniferbk@sbcglobal.net

    Jennifer (who has developed a strange crush on Lucius Malfoy after Jason Isaacs portrayal in HP: Chamber of Secrets)
  12. Don'tLiveonMoon

    Don'tLiveonMoon New Member

    Snape is definitely a very interesting character, and Alan Rickman does such a perfect job of portraying him. He seems to be either a wolf in sheep's clothing or a sheep in wolf's clothing, and we probably won't really know which one until the end of the series. Certainly I would say he is one of the most complex characters in the series.
    Erin
  13. electricmayhem

    electricmayhem New Member

    I was also very intrigued by Snape in this book. Even if he does hate Harry, I trust Dumbledore's judgment. And there were a couple parts in this book where I even liked Snape! (ie. when Harry gives him the encoded message). And Alan Rickman does a fantastic job with him in the movies as well.

    And did anyone else just love McGonagal in this one? I always liked her but I just loved her character in this book. :) I wish I could say more too, I'll send you an email Jennifer if you still want to talk about it!
  14. Don'tLiveonMoon

    Don'tLiveonMoon New Member

    McGonogall is awesome! She completely reminds me of a teacher that I had from 5th to 8th grade. Super strict but really good-hearted at the same time, and with a couple surprises up her sleeve.
    Erin
  15. puppets_etc

    puppets_etc Member

    My 13 year old daughter zipped through the Goblet of Fire so she could read Order of the Phoenix when I got done. I love to see my girls read. (Instead of listening to some of their mindless music-which by the way some I listen to too :o , talking on the phone or watching the boob tube)

    Deb :flirt:
  16. electricmayhem

    electricmayhem New Member


    I just loved it the way she (and the other teachers) acted towards Dolores. It just made me laugh everytime! :D
  17. HeraLirambar

    HeraLirambar New Member

    Uh... this post may contain spoilers? *Shrugs*

    Must say, best one I've read so far.
    I love Gred and Forge. I mean Fred and George. I'd marry them, but I'd never be able to decide which one I want.
    I also love McGonagal- but, uh, not like in the way I F&G.
    And I luv Sirius and Remus and Severus and Moody and Tonks and Luna and I like Neville so much better in this one.
    I got it last Saturday and finished it on... Tuesday morning. Now I wanna read it again.
    I hate Umbridge. With a passion.
    *Sniff* I wanna go to Hogwarts! BTW, has anyone read the parody Barry Trotter and the Unauthorized Parody? It's hillarious. (Knowing my luck, someone already mentioned this)
    And I cried at the death scene, and I have never cried while reading a book.
  18. Don'tLiveonMoon

    Don'tLiveonMoon New Member

    I know, you can't have one without the other! Fred and George are soooo adorable. :flirt: They remind me of my favorite class clown in high school, times two. They've been majorly getting the short end of the stick in the movies, and it would be nice if that changed. But in the books, their role just keeps getting bigger and bigger! I hope that they don't disappear in the next book just because they're not at Hogwart's anymore.
    Erin
  19. electricmayhem

    electricmayhem New Member

    Two of my very favorites ever!

    Me too! Ever since I started reading them and I realized that even if it was real I was already older than 11, I've been jealous of Harry and co. :D ;)
  20. wockawocka

    wockawocka New Member

    I have a question...

    Does Ron like Hermione, or Hermione like Ron? I've heard this places and read interviews about it. Also, it seems it might be true with the awkward moment between Ron and Hermione at the end of the second movie.

    Although, J. K. Rowling has never said anything of the sort in any of the books... I don't think, so I was just hoping someone could straighten this out for me.


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