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Has Big Bird lost his appeal?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by SSLFan, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict Well-Known Member

  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, Caroll has had an understudy for the past few years in Matt Vogel, so if anything were to ever happen to Caroll, God forbid, Matt will be able to take over.

    Puppetry-wise, Jim Martin usually does Oscar, if Caroll's already in Big Bird, and the two are required to be in a scene together, but I believe John Tartaglia would do his new voice.

    As for Big Bird losing his appeal... sadly, Sesame's audience keeps getting younger, and younger, while Big Bird remains six, so naturally, these days younger characters *cough*Elmo*cough* are going to be more relatable to the kiddies.
  3. BigBirdABCDEFGH

    BigBirdABCDEFGH Well-Known Member

    Do you also think that the noted cartoon voice legend, Frank Welker, could do the Big Bird voice? He already did tackle a few Muppet voices once: the animated child versions of Kermit the Frog, Scooter and Skeeter, and Beaker (the high-pitched sidekick to Bunsen, himself voiced by Howie Mandel and later Dave Coulier) on Muppet Babies.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There already IS a second Big Bird... Matt Vogel. he performed Big Bird in all the Journey to Ernie segments. He's a trained puppeteer, and Frank is only a voice actor... and he may be just as old as Carol...
  5. BigBirdABCDEFGH

    BigBirdABCDEFGH Well-Known Member

    Frank Welker was born on March 12, 1946; as opposed to Caroll, whose birthday is December 26, 1933. That means FW is 63 years old right now, while Caroll will approach the age of 76 this December.
  6. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Please keep in mind that Muppet performers usually PERFORM and do the character voices. So Frank would also have to perform the Big Bird suit.

    Lol how did this subject come up?:p
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    While that's true for the most part, there's plenty of voice dubbing done with the Muppets.

    Frank Oz performed Ma Otter for Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas, though Marilyn Sokol dubbed her voice; the reason she didn't do the puppetry is because Jim felt she couldn't do passable job with the lip syncing, but she still had good vocal talents.

    Again, if Big Bird and Oscar are in a scene together, Jim Martin performs Oscar, and Caroll later dubs Oscar's voice.
  8. BigBirdABCDEFGH

    BigBirdABCDEFGH Well-Known Member

    My contributing posts were based on the fact that Big Bird's early voice sounded akin to Clem "Here I Am!" Kadiddlehopper (a famous Red Skelton character), before Caroll decided by the show's second season he wanted BB to be personified as not a dumb hillbilly bird, but a child.

  9. zns

    zns Well-Known Member

    I greatly doubt that Sesame Workshop would ever let anything happen to Big Bird. Knowing that he is loved as much as Elmo is quite obvious that he plays an important role in the world of Sesame Street. He was also featured in the special portrait of Barack Obama, being him and Elmo the only Muppets in there with him. I'm can honestly say that Big Bird will continue to be a part of every child's eye as they continue to watch Sesame Street for years to come. :wisdom:

    This is off topic, but I also believe that the puppet versions of Ernie and Bert will be used on the show and not be replaced by the new clay-animated ones. :p:(
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    He doesn't seem as loved as much as Elmo to me... I don't see any Big Bird merchandise (save for the Follow That Bird DVD), I don't see Big Bird being given special attention on the show, I don't hear anything about Big Bird appearing on so-and-so's show(s)... it's ALL Elmo these days.
  11. Fluffets

    Fluffets Well-Known Member

    Wow I've popped on and off of this thread a few times and it seems the main discussion relates to elmo, enemy of us all. I dislike him myself despite ironically once being one of millions of children growing up with a tickle-me elmo. It seems that evidentally he's a muppet parasite, feeding off of character's popularity, I also agree about the merchandising and stuff, I think if you add up over the years, and with some bits in the collectibles section here you can clearly see that (almost) every character has a LOT of merchandise to themselves but will never top Elmo. But checking on some merchandising and what I read from an earlier post on this Big Bird IS the SS merchandise equivelant to Fozzie Bear, most of the products have very disturbing facial expressions and aren't worth buying, and so that's what I cobbled together from skimming through this a few times, let me know if there's something wrong on my erm.... essay?:confused::smirk::)
  12. Telly

    Telly Well-Known Member

    I don't mind Elmo so much. I just don't like how he BECAME Sesame Street. Murray's new and I like him, so I know (for me) it's not just the "pushing out" of older characters for newer ones. All my friends know that I think "Elmo's a sell out. You never say Grover sell himself like that!" Thank gosh I still have my Old School Sesame Street DVDs! As a matter of fact....
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't mind Grover being a sell out; gotta love that "A Celebration of Me, Grover" DVD!
  14. Telly

    Telly Well-Known Member

    Grover's my favorite Sesame Street character! I'm just saying that none of the other Sesame Muppets had as much merchandising out there as Elmo.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Hey... um... wasn't Grover like the unofficial star in like the late 70's, early 80's? I seem to recall a LOT of Grover books and merchandise around that time. Not quite as much as Elmo, and Big Bird was still the main "star" and all... but I surely remember a LOT of Grover focus.

    I'll come out and say it... we should have kept JTE. I hate the fact that the show has to be segmented up and all, really I do (though I'm still LOVING Murray had a Little Lamb), but what characters are the most popular... Elmo and Abby... and they have long bloated segments now... That was Big Bird's segment. In fact, I haven't seen that much BB in years.
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I was born in the wrong decade.
    I thought you didn't like Journey to Ernie?
    I don't mind it so much; Caroll Spinney even said that once they switched to that format for Season 33, their ratings shot up a bit.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually, I liked JTE as soon as they changed the format and they actually TRIED to make it entertaining. You know, when they actually did stories and put the 2headed monster in every episode. I swear the Letter B museum one with Bob was a masterpiece.
  18. zns

    zns Well-Known Member

    Considering that Big Bird is only in a handlful of episodes this season, what would you say about all of this now. Is it really about the audience or the researchers who are trying to keep things going with the show?
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I think it is rumored that Joey Mazzarino and some of the other current writers have trouble writing for Big Bird. Can't remember where I read it (probably the thread about Big Bird only appearing in four episodes this season).
  20. Nick22

    Nick22 Well-Known Member

    when i was little, i love journey to ernie. it was probly one of my favorite segments.

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