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Has Frank Oz's opinion on the new movie changed?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Duke Remington, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Active Member

    I know that we probably don't know, but I was wondering if Frank Oz's opinions on the new movie may have changed since its release.

    I hope he has since acquired a more positive view on it, especially after all the changes made since he read the first draft.

    Also, if Frank were to say something positive about the new film, it can very well help silence the rubes who still think of him a Muppet end-all be-all (the people that still slam the new movie without thinking, knowing the history or realizing that Disney truly is the Muppets' savior irritate me).
  2. Puckrox

    Puckrox Well-Known Member

    I've been wondering this too.
  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I liked the movie...but Frank Oz is still a Muppet end-all be-all in my book. ;)
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  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Here's a question... Do we really care what he thinks in the context that we haven't heard his opinion on any of the Muppet movies made after he went on to other things, why should this be the movie he has an opinion on?

    It seems that, once again, his problem stems from something scriptwise, and whether it was the first draft (which had understandable problems that were thankfully worked over with better ideas... the "mansion" for one) or an actual later draft (which I doubt), his opinion was mostly of an insider "I would have done it differently" with a little "if people enjoy the movie and it brings interest back into the characters, I'm fine with it on that level."

    If nothing else, I'd hope to think he'd take it as a fan made loving tribute to the characters and Jim. it's much more a love letter than anything else, and it's far more the love letter than most of their recent projects (I needn't tell you I take MupOz as an insult).
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well that's an interesting point. I guess though it's because this movie got a lot of hype as the big "comeback."

    Exactly, and I'd rather people be honest then just give a generic answer. :)
  6. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

  7. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that link, Mo. I was curious about that myself.

    It's interesting to hear Frank's assessment that the movie was "too safe" when the very concept of The Muppets - casting them as themselves (as opposed to MCC and MTI) and attempting to recreate the long-lost TMS vibe, on a big screen no less, while producing an entirely new and entertaining stand-alone movie - strikes me as risky in and of itself. I regularly shake my head in amazement that Segel, Stoller and Bobin pulled it off.

    But I understand where he's coming from, to a degree. And of course he's more than entitled to his opinion. I appreciate that he was careful in his remarks because he "didn't want to hurt anybody."

    I suspect that the next movie, which will likely be more of a flat-out crazy comedy than The Muppets was, will be more to Frank's liking.
  8. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I agree with what you said. While I respect Frank's opinion, I really don't think that the movie was 'too safe'. It was a nice mix of heart and humor, a love letter to us fans, and a nice way to introduce the gang to a new audience. I am glad that Frank said that the movie was "sweet and fun". But by "cutting edge", I'm hoping he means more along the lines of, like you said, flat-out crazy comedy, rather than a pop culture heavy MFS/IAVMMCM/MWoO style. In fact, I'm sure he means that. And I'm sure we'll get both the Muppets' heartfelt and humorous style in future productions.
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  9. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    it's hard for me to see how the older movies were more "edgy" than this one. in tone or jokes or anything. i guess the show could be edgier at times, but certainly the movies were never really like that. not that i remember anyway
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  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    This was pretty edgy as far as I was concerned. A GOOD kind of edgy that showed that the characters still worked.

    I think by "safe" there was a concern about making huge stretches in the characters, other than Kermit's rightful depression. The movie was "safe" in terms that it wasn't experimental like GMC was, where they built an alternate universe fro the characters, same deal as MTM. Even with MCC and MTI.

    But an experimental style film would have been out of the question. That's what we'll probably see next go around, but if they wanted to build the franchise, they needed to start on a solid foundation of "We're back, Baby!" Another fairy Tale film would have set them back, another theme film would have elicited yawns... The Muppets was the film they needed to make. Now they can do anything in the world, cuz they're playing with house money.
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  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Forget whether Frank oz's opinion has changed... I'd like to know what Jerry Nelson's opinion is! :)

    And also Kevin Clash's. And Brian Henson's.
  12. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Umm..why does Kevin Clash's opinion on this film matter?? As far as Brian Henson goes I read somewhere that he very much enjoyed the film. I know he was enthusiastic about the film to begin with even so much as letting Disney film on their studio lots.
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    All those names I was really just half-kidding (I also considered stating that I desired Caroll Spinney's opinion). I only listed them because they had been so involved with the Muppets even though they hadn't worked with the Muppets in years (even though Jerry Nelson did lend his voice to one scene).
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Well I know they wanted Elmo to make a cameo in the film but he was too expensive. Lol.
  15. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

  16. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

  17. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I figured I would post it here. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Frank Oz's work ,but I kind of lost some respect for him after reading a few interviews with him. He doesn't want to be known for his work with the Muppets. I get that, but then he went on to say how he won't use his Muppet voices when asked. I mean, that is a big thing, working with the Muppets! Again, I do love Oz, he is a great guy. I don't want to get in any arguments with anyone.
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  18. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Well as for the muppet voices I think that's due to age he's stated before he can't really do voices like he used to particularly Piggy because she's too high pitched. He's said in old video footage done in the 1970's-1980's at the time when performing her it was hard singing high notes.
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  19. CaseytheMuppet

    CaseytheMuppet Well-Known Member

    Oh, I do get that. Again, I do love his work.
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  20. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I don't know in that interview he said Disney hasn't asked him yet. Which after saying such things about the film I don't think they will now. LOL!


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