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Henson issues statement about Chick-Fila-A

Discussion in 'Henson People' started by dwmckim, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Men and women weren't exactly friends in ancient times, lol.

    When he talked to that woman at the well as a practical equal and his male followers were stunned. That was a big deal back then.
  2. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    (cue to 4:50 into the clip)​
    The Muppets & Garth Brooks share a poignant song about tolerance together in 1996. And it has chickens! Seems appropriate.​
    “When we're free to love anyone we choose, when this world's big enough for all different views, when we all can worship from our own kind of pew, then we then we shall be free.”​
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  3. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    You know what my favorite moment of that number (the entire episode for that matter) always was? (Aside from Rowlf's first signs of recovery from the cat who got his tongue, of course?) The Muppet cast's emphatic murmers of agreement after Garth sings "When we're free to love anyone we choose". Those pair of "mmm"'s were even more precious than the "Oh yeah" and the "heh heh" combined.

    In fact i love it so much that if i started a band tomorrow, i'd call it "Pair of MMMM's"
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  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Even the "marriage is sacred" stuff is baloney. There are people get married for all the wrong reasons and divorce at the drop of a hat. Celebrity marriages, I don't even have to finish this sentence. People who can't even stand each other have more rights than 2 dudes that genuinely love each other. Slippery slope NOTHING. Stupid thing was already ruined by straight people. :D

    Thankfully no. The worst part is, if everyone shut their yaps about Tinky Winky, the show would have disappeared with relatively no fan fare. Then everyone enjoyed it ironically. And somehow, I DO believe the Brits that made that stupid thing totally had goofy subversive gay stereotypes in mind for the character. Just something for the adults to laugh at that the little kids wouldn't bother to get. Just goes to show you how poor that series was if that constituted as the adult humor shout out.

    Though I still wonder how the crap did French Cartoon Character Candy H. Caramella from Space Goofs got under the radar?


    The character is ALWAYS wearing a dress, when he turns into a human, he's the woman 90% of the time. And the most darning of all, the first episode he even has the line "OOOH! Look at the size of this closet. it's so big that I could live in it for ever and never have to come out!"

    How did that...? Oh. Yeah.. I'm the only one that watched Space Goofs.
    The funny thing is, as much as I could complain about denying kids The Lion King, I think that completely suits that sect of gay hating Stepford Christians. Maybe they'll shut themselves completely out of society and we won't have to deal with them anymore.

    If nothing else, it shows exactly how out of touch they are with even Conservative Christianity and how dangerously close they are to a cult.
  5. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    We Are Not Arguing Over Chicken: The Huffington Post ran an article that makes the same point I was trying to make a few pages back, about the human cost of the everyday cruelty to gays that most people don't think about, but did it much more articulate-like. Well worth reading.
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  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The Huffington Post is a little too obviously bias as far as journalism goes, but I appreciate the message the article is trying to send.
  7. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Fantastic article. I read it last night and it really gets right to the issue. We all can get sucked into the anonymity of Internet communication without it really registering that we are talking to real people.

    There's one thing that article didn't mention that is directly related to Chick-Fil-A's murky money shuffling. Some of their millions went to Exodus International - an American-led Christian organization that recently championed Uganda's legitimation also known as the "Kill the Gays" bill. This is exactly what it sounds like. It's legalized genocide for the Uganda's gay population. Exodus claimed they didn't know about the execution portion. I guess they just thought the bill supported life imprisonment. Exodus did issue an apology yet they took no responsibility and did nothing to remedy the situation. This is one of the reasons people use the word "hate" when describing the anti-gay movement. There is footage available featuring some of their indoctrination events that are so gross, misleading and inflammatory that none of the information can be posted here. Exodus isn't some small fringe organization. They are a very popular and highly regarded organization among Christian conservatives. These people aren't really spreading anything even closely resembling the Jesus I learned about.
  8. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    A lot of those nations are still hundred and hundreds of years behind, I hear in some of those middle eastern countries, not only do citizens face execution for being homosexual, women are still denied many basic human rights that women in America fought for centuries to obtain.
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  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's funny Snowth brought up the Middle East. We have all these Christian far conservatives whining about Sharia Law, and yet they want to impose their OWN version of Sharia Law. I'm sure they have a cuter, more marketable name for it, though.

    And the scary thing is, the conversation is STILL only about what the Chick CEO said and not what he DID. And it's all about only HE has the right to say what he said and anyone who disagrees with him is some evil secularist. It's not so much that he says batcrap crazy Psuedo-religious nonsense, it's that he spends a fortune of his money making sure that batcrap crazy Pseudo-religious nonsense he believes becomes law.

    But I learned something in all of this. Apparently, you can say something hateful and ridiculous and be a bigger victim than the people who are victimized by it just by the fact that someone doesn't want to do business with you. Poor Baby! Henson and every mayor that doesn't want one of those places in their state have absolutely no right to encroach on the same rights you're denying them.
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  10. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    There would have been an outcry if Southern Baptist Dan Cathy had made judgments or insensitive remarks about Catholics.

    It's that statement in bold that so many Christian people seem to be missing. This isn't even a gay vs Christian argument. Henson would have had to take a stand, cut ties and donate the money to a Catholic charity to counteract the controversy. They had no idea that the President of the company was going to make such public and divisive remarks when they agreed to partner together. They exercised free speech, but did so in a way that compromised others connected to them. It was simply unprofessional. Compare that to JHC who made a simple and non judgmental statement and have stood by it without another peep. Henson is definitely in the right here.
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm surprised that Sarah Palin is supporting Chick-fil-A... if I know Palin, this is just another example of her always having to have the spotlight on her, no matter what the controversy is.
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  12. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Um, like Creature Shop toys, the Chick-fil-As in this town never had these "breakfast platters" with sausage or bacon either... the only "breakfast" items they've ever had were little chicken biscuits... again, probably more proof that Knoxville is a hundred years behind as opposed to be ahead, we ALWAYS are the last to get anything... apparently like this Calypso flavored lemonades that apparently have been out at least since 2006, we JUST NOW got those a few months ago, but already, stores don't carry them anymore.
  14. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    As of today, the Democratic party has added support for same-sex marriage to its platform.

    Thank you Henson for your courageous stand - and thank you too CFA for your actions - which have helped keep this issue on our collective awareness and helping nudge history in the right direction.
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  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    See folks? Contrary to popular belief, it's the Democrats who do more to promote peace and unity, NOT the Republicans.
  16. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Ain't that the truth! :excited:

    I think what this does is create another clear choice between presidential candidates. Romney's stance is certainly clear on this issue, but neither he nor the Republicans have been running on it since Obama's stance. It's odd. Very odd. Maybe their gearing up for the debates. It's amusing that both candidates have had a change of heart on this issue. Romney onces supported gay marriage and Obama didn't until recently. However, Obama never said that he'd oppose it if agreed upon by states. Still it never sat right with me.​
    I'd really like to hear him tell those against marriage equality to quit wasting time and resources that could be put to better use in this country. Maybe he should even reference the big boon in so many service industries once gay marriage is legalized. That's something that wouldn't likely be outsourced. See what I did there? Completed the circle back a major Romney weak point. Ha!

    Believe it or not I was a registered Republican in Texas. It didn't register in California or as a Democrat until the last campaign. I'd like to be an independent, but there's so much of those in SF and they're identified with the more militant aspects of the Occupy movement. :eek:

    I agree that for the most part, but the Democratic Party took their own sweet time to endorse marriage equality. Aren't they supposed to be leading the charge? It took the President's support, dozens of corporations and finally the Henson Company to inspire them set aside personal feelings for the sake of the whole. Muppet power! Or, more accurately, Jim Henson-owned characters (no longer legally referred to as Muppets) power! :coy:
  17. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I don't care, I'm still going to refer to them as "Muppets', irregardless of who owns what entities: if they're associated with the name "Henson", they will automatically be "Muppets" to me.
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  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    :search: Barack Obama is not the only Democrat I've supported, but of the few elections I've actually participated in, he's the only Democratic Presidential Candidate I've voted for. I used to be a firm moderate before the neo-conservatives took over the Republican party and rendered them intolerable. :oops:
  19. Bannanasketch

    Bannanasketch Well-Known Member

    Today, I will be going to Chick Fil A for "Chick Fil A Appreciation Day." Not necessarily because I support their actions, more because I appreciate how they make a darn good chicken sandwich. That, and my Dad's super conservative and I don't even have to finish this sentence.

    I will also be going to be enjoying myself some Muppety goodness. Not necessarily because of support for their decision. I just love Muppets. :)

    Am I too neutral to be in this discussion? haha
  20. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Ha! Ultimately neither company asked for a boycott of the other.

    There's a lot going on. CFA has been distancing itself from Dan Cathy's statement. They're losing partnerships over this and not necessarily because of free speech or a specific issue, but because Cathy publicized his stance on a very polarizing issue and did so as a representative of CFA. He then reaffirmed it when it came up again. Such statements force those who partner with them to pick a side and a lot of companies want no part in that. They just want to provide a service.

    I feel bad for the JHC for getting trapped in the middle of this. They didn't ask for this publicity or to make a public stand. But they issued a proportional response without wimping out with some wishy washy double-talk and have stood by it without another word on the issue. That's class.
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