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Is Gonzo Being phased out?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by dwayne1115, May 25, 2012.

  1. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Yes but their not moving like spring chickens anymore either now are they? And last I checked he was having a few health issues maybe not as SERIOUS but nevertheless could explain why Gonzo has sort of taken a seat back. And Carol is a great example he's passing 80 but again not as agile. Last I checked doesn't puppetry take a lot of your body to move around not even counting how much they have to hold their arms in the air. So age does play a factor to a certain extent. You can be in perfect health at age 80 but that doesn't mean your body isn't slowing up.
     
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  2. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Can we please stop worrying and just live in the moment while Dave is still alive and fully-active? Let's just be happy and enjoy it while it lasts.

    And again, just because a character is taking a bit of a backseat does not that character is phased out, so let's please knock off the conclusion-jumping as well.
     
  3. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Active Member

    He's not being phased out. Infact, he has been on some talk shows as of lately and started NASCAR recently. He had a decent sized chunk in the new film, is with the gang in commercials and on special appearances, and was in all versions of the Toyota Highlander commercial. He's not being phased out.
     
  4. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    After seeing Muppets Most Wanted, I can gladly say- no.
     
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  5. WalterFan1234

    WalterFan1234 Active Member

    I think he has been too. His character was not nearly as likable in The Muppets or Muppets Most Wanted. They used him more for quick jokes than anything. I miss the way it used to be, because he was so much cooler of a character. Now he's just kinda eh
     
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  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I don't know I really enjoyed how he was in MMW, and I thought they brought back some of his TMS personality.
     
  7. WalterFan1234

    WalterFan1234 Active Member

    Interesting theory. I think he had some things that were like TMS, but he was also not the same.
     
  8. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I know he's being phased out, yet so many people on this thread refuse to admit it. Since Bunsen had a pretty beefy-ish role in the film, I don't think Dave's having too many problems, but it's not that Gonzo isn't likable nowadays, it's that he's not a main character and the film could work even without GONZO!! Think about it, he had some crucial roles in TMM, without him there would be no "I'm Going To Go Back There Someday", no chasing Gonzo in the car, and no interaction in the car with him. In GMC he was responsible for finding out when and where Nicky Holiday was going to steal the baseball diamond, and he was the photographer. In MTM without him, Camilla wouldn't get CPR, and one whole "letter" scene, and the infamous Ed Koch scene would be cut! In MCC he was the narrator, in MTI, main character, and MFS (NEED I SAY MORE? UNLESS YOU WANT CLIFFORD TO HAVE AN ALIEN FAMILY), and he also had crucial roles in VMX, MWoO, and LTS. Then The Muppets (2011)? They could have easily just cut out the TWO ONLY Gonzo scenes, and nothing would happen! Sure he did save the muppet theater, but besides that he was just as a background character as Lew Zealand! MMW was MUCH WORSE! Gonzo was basically a background character, I think Bunsen had more lines and a bigger part! Again he had that one part where his nose hooked on Constantine's helicopter, but that was 2 seconds long! I was really hoping that Gonzo'd have a big role in MMW, but really, the running of the bulls was less than 1 minute long! Let's face it, Gonzo's just as phased out as Rizzo! Sure, he had roles, but they were minor and could easily have been replaced by another muppet! In TM, Crazy Harry could have taken out his plunger box and BAM, Tex is knocked out, and in MMW, Camilla could have jumped and held on to the helicopter with her mouth. Gonzo is being phased out, and until we have another muppet production to see how big his role will be, this is really sad. :sympathy:
     
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  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well with MCC, MTI, and MFS the reason that Gonzo and Rizzo for that matter took such a huge role is performer wise. Steve was still getting use to doing Kermit, Frank was off directing, Richard, and Jim where gone and Jerry was just not well. Dave and Steve where a great team, and throughout the 90's really had a chance to shine. Now that Steve is focusing more on Kermit that should not have to change because Kermit and Gonzo have had a great relationship in the past, and could have some really great moments if allowed to.
     
  10. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Actually, Jerry was still in good health in the 90's, since he was still fully-active as a Muppeteer at that time, even though most of his main characters (Floyd, Robin, etc.) were greatly underutilized during that era.

    Anywho, getting back on topic, I must reitterate that Gonzo (who, BTW, is still a cool and likable character, despite what some others on here like to think) is NOT being phased out. Just because he's getting smaller parts does not automatically mean that they're phasing him out! :grouchy:
     
  11. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I don't feel like they're phasing Gonzo out in particular, at least no more than the other characters. It's more that the writers seem fine writing for Kermit, Piggy and the new characters (Walter, Constantine), but when it comes to the other supporting characters for some reason they're not as comfortable.
     
  12. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member



    Because as we have said before they think that they are all stupid......
     
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  13. WalterFan1234

    WalterFan1234 Active Member

    I agree with every word you said. Gonzo is going away. Saying goodbye. It's so sad because he used to be great, but he is starting to lose every bit of greatness he had before.
     
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  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member


    Wow I don't mean to offend or anything, but I think that is being a little to dramatic. With both new movies the writers have not known how to write well, for Gonzo or Fozzie for that matter. They think that all of the other Muppets besides Kermit Piggy, Walter and now Constantine are all stupid, and have had trouble writing from them.

    If the Muppets where to have there own show, or another movie with different writers. I'm sure that Gonzo will make a valiant return.
     
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    I actually have to laugh at that one.

    The Muppets suffered from having too many Muppets in one film. Gonzo also had the unfortunate distinction of being a brick joke at the tail end of the film, not to mention every other scene that was cut featured him. MMW was indeed better. He may not have had the screen time as Kermit and Piggy did... but if anything just under his capacity in the first 3 films. Meanwhile, the last 3 theatrical films Gonzo and Rizzo basically had most of the screen time, much more so than Kermit. It does feel like a huge leap though, I'll agree. But Gonzo in the last 2 movies isn't half as bad as Kermit was in MFS, where he was lobotomized and out of character by writers that supposedly understood the character! And let's not forget, LTS gave us unnecessarily overly depressed Winnie the Pooh Gonzo, by writers that supposedly understood the character! He was going through a Steve Martin-like growing out of his old schtick phase, sure. We had understandably depressed Gonzo in MFS and alternate world Gonzo in VMX... but why was he that depressed in LTS? I love LTS, but that and the rushed run time are the specials biggest flaws.

    I mean, you know how much I hate MWO, but at least that one got Gonzo right. The highlight of that special was him getting back with Camilla. Remember that period? Gonzo may not have been in the last 2 movies 70% of the time, but at least they remembered he loves Camilla and does wacky stunts. We've only got tastes of it in MTI and MFS.

    Meanwhile, Gonzo's all over the merchandising still, all over other appearances, especially the Toyota ads.
     
  16. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I don't remember Gonzo being that incredibly depressed in "A Muppets Christmas: Letters to Santa". Yes, he was fairly depressed though, mainly because he felt responsible for diverting some of the children's letters to Santa Claus and thus, he felt like he had ruined Christmas for them. (Not to mention feeling guilty about abandoning Claire.) And for one who's struggled with abandonment issues, I'm sure Gonzo would be particularly sensitive to such things.
    In any case, I don't think Gonzo is being phased out- he's long been a core member of The Muppets gang- I don't see him going anywhere. As you might can tell from my user name, he's one of my favorite characters- probably because I identify a lot with the weirdo and whatever labels. Love ya, Gonzo! :concern:
     
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  17. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I know, thanks! I mean I can understand Rizzo being in the back, I mean that's not too big of a deal, but GONZO! How hard is it to write for Gonzo if James and Nick are die-heart muppet fans? I can write for Gonzo! Here you wanna see some top-notch writting?

    Kermit: Come on guys, let's go stop Tex Richman from blowing up the muppet theater!

    Gonzo: No thanks Kermit, I'd like to be inside the theater when it happens.


    (at a butcher shop)​
    Fozzie: Hey Gonzo what are you doing?​
    Gonzo: Oh I'm going to tell the buther to take chickens off the menu.​
    Fozzie: AHH- NICE ONE!​
    (later)​
    Kermit: Hey Gonzo, did you take chickens off the menu?​
    Gonzo: Well, the butcher would'nt budge so we made a compromise, he's only selling exploding chickens now. HEY BUTCHER I'LL TAKE TWO!!!​
    Camilla: Clucks Dissapprovingly​
    Gonzo: Oh Camilla, these are only exploding chickens watch (shakes chicken)​
    (SHOP EXPLODES)​
    Gonzo: WHOOPE! I'VE NEVER HAD MORE FUN IN MY LIFE!​
    FEEL FREE TO USE THIS ANY MUPPET WRITERS READING THIS.​
     
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  18. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    They should get Steve Whitmire and Dave Goelz aiding with the writting of muppet productions, because the characters beside the new ones and kermit and piggy need to be written better.
     
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  19. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think that has to be the biggest complainant from fans about the new movie.
     
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  20. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Well in all, at least they try to get the characters right, better than Gonzo being scared to get his brain sucked out!
     


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