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Is Gonzo Being phased out?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by dwayne1115, May 25, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But that's not Gonzo. Not to me. Any deeply rooted depression would stem from not being understood as an artist or even being alone. Any other time, Gonzo would try to strap a rocket to himself to deliver the letter, and if the thing blew up, he'd actually be happy that happened and give a hearty "let's go again!"

    Instead we got like 1 Gonzo-y joke and then he turned into Eeyore. Gonzo may have lost his optimism in that episode of TMS where he was misunderstood when his stunts didn't go over well, but he bounced back next episode. I mean, I like LTS, but it feels like a collection of missed opportunities to shove more commercials into the NBC broadcast. But Gonzo really suffered in that special. I don't get how that's the writers who get him, and TM (mentioning his original job from the first movie) and MMW (performing a dangerous stunt Kermit wouldn't allow him to do that turned into a disaster he shrugged off) didn't because he wasn't mugging the camera and narrating the events.

    Heck, I stand by my hate of MWO, but it seems it took them that long to actually get Gonzo.



    Like they don't? I fail to see how the characters are off, or more off than they were the last several projects. Fozzie was much more of an idiot in MFS, Kermit had no personality in the same movie. They got Gonzo, Rizzo, and the new characters right, sure... but most of the classic ones were reduced to caricature in that film, if they even showed up.
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  2. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I don't like everything about The Muppets' Wizard of Oz TV-movie either, but there are a number of things I do love about it- the music, for one. And I think there were some good character moments there, as you said for Gonzo particularly. Personally, I feel that Gonzo was in great form in "Letters to Santa", "The Muppets" and "Muppets Most Wanted". Gonzo definitely has had his morose moments- to me, it's okay for him to sometimes not feel like strapping himself to a rocket to hand deliver a Christmas letter. I like that zany aspect of Gonzo but for me personally, I like to see characters have moments where- even if it does feel a little out of character- they have a chance to be fleshed out more. That way we can see that Gonzo is more than just a daredevil artist- he also is deeply concerned about others' feelings and their need for happiness and belonging, particularly since he himself struggles with that so much.:concern:
    But, of course, I also like to look for the good in everything and so I pretty much just find something to enjoy in every Muppet production. (Some of my favorite Bible verses guide my approach in that- "Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid all appearance of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22:wisdom::))
    So yeah- I generally just like everything.:crazy::zany:
    But that's perfectly cool if others feel differently on Gonzo's representations in different projects and other things- we obviously don't and won't agree on everything- but we can still get along like Kermit sang about on Sesame Street.:):super::halo:
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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, I'd like to ad that we've had a rise of Scooter, Rowlf, the Electric Mayhem... and the unthinkable... Link Hogthrob.

    Seriously. If you told me if there was going to be Link Hogthrob in a Muppet Movie and he had lines, I'd think you were a liar and a jerk for trying to get me to believe something that outlandish. then came MMW. Multiple scenes and lines of Link Hogthrob. He didn't even have lines or much of a screen presence when Jim was performing him.
  4. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I was ecstatic to see Link Hogthrob getting some screen time and actual lines! Yay for Link! And definitely- great to see Scooter, Rowlf and The Electric Mayhem getting more of a presence- they are mainstays and should always be there as far as I'm concerned.;):sympathy::D:sing::flirt::cool::halo:
  5. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    ON MMW
    Alice Barnousky :
    What, did everyone get burnt out on Gonzo after the ’90s? Where IS he?
    David Lu:
    I dislike how little we’ve seen of Dave Goelz’s characters in the last two movies. Gonzo and Bunsen had bits cut from the last one, and now “Zongo” doesn’t even get to help rescue Kermit from the Gulag.
  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    What is this from, and why did they get Gonzo's name wrong calling him Zongo?
  7. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Constantine misremembered it the first time he addressed Gonzo.
  8. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    This is from the toughpigs article "Two Things about MMW Part 2".
  9. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Anyways after watching the view with the muppets, I fail to see how Gonzo isn't being phased out. Also, it's NOT because of Dave Goelz, because Bunsen had quite a beefy role, but Gonzo did next to nothing, no let me change that, he did NOTHING! He had like a 2 second long speaking cameo, and that's all!
  10. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    These should be proof that Gonzo isn't going anywhere: , , . I hope ToughPigs interviews Dave so we can hear from the man himself that Gonzo's not going anywhere.
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  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I would love to sit and chat with Dave, he is one of the last core Muppeters, and he would just be a dream of mine to sit and chat with him.
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  12. WalterLinz

    WalterLinz Well-Known Member

    Yeah...I know there are many interviews about these, but it'd be pretty interesting to ask him how he got involved with Jim and the crew, what was his favorite memory of working on The Muppet Show, or what was his favorite episode of The Muppet Show he worked on...etcetera etcetera...:fanatic:
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson the Bio really says a lot about how Dave got started so I don't think I would talk to him about that. I would talk to him about the now, and the future of the Muppets, Especially Gonzo.
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  14. Gonzo14

    Gonzo14 Well-Known Member

    For some reason my phone won't let me see the last page of this thread so I apologize if my comments have already been said

    I'm not worried about Gonzo, he may not always be as prominent or important to the plot, but that's ok. I seriously doubt he'll ever be phased out to the extent that Rowlf or Scooter were in the 90s. Despite his limited screen time, in the last two movies we had Gonzo blowing up his business, head bowling, the indoor running of the Bulls and more pairing with Camilla. This is all classic Gonzo and was awesome to see!
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  15. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    You do bring up an interesting point. However there is one part in "The Muppets that I personally fill is out of character of Gonzo. From his very first appearance on the Muppet Show everyone including Gonzo himself knew he was a weirdo.In fact as the show and movies came out he was more and more confident, and proud to be a weirdo. I don't think he would ever hide that, or ever say no to the chance to being a weirdo on stage. Other then that one thing Gonzo was spot on back to his weirdo self in both movies.
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  16. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Personally, I think they should have traveled to Bombay, India to pick up Gonzo. Imagine an epic Bollywood number that would have made! :concern:

    As much as I appreciate Segel's success with bringing the Muppets back to mainstream audiences, I can't help but feel he was much more of a casual fan who didn't quite get what made them tick. He also skewed more mid-80's retro when the bulk of the Muppets' retroness belongs in the late 70's to early 80's. Nonetheless, an enjoyable film.

    Oh, and as for Gonzo's absence. Dave Goelz is the elder Muppeteer these days. Gonzo's not gone, but I think he's letting the younger talent pick up a little more of the slack. That's all this is. Remember back to Muppets Tonight? Gonzo (along with Rizzo) really took on the backstage roles of Kermit, Scooter and Fozzie. There was a lot of him on the program. After the recasts, Scooter, Rowlf, Fozzie and the gang became much more readily available. I think the writers are having some fun bringing them back.

    Still, more Gonzo is always a good thing.
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't get when certain Muppet fans think they didn't "get" the Muppets in the last film, since Gonzo was more Gonzo than he's been in years. Gonzo became the spotlight character in some of the later films before hand, and his wackiness is hinted at, or alluded to, but never on the level of classic Muppets Gonzo. It was like his Steve Martin, too funny to be funny period. I almost swear his appearance in TM when he was a plumber was almost a subtle commentary on that. Of all the nasty things I can say about MWO, they brought back the Camella/Gonzo pairing (at the end, but still...) Then of course, LTS. I like LTS, but he was just Gonzo the Pooh in that one for some reason. Not himself at all, kinda depressed.

    I was glad to see his running with the bulls bit in the new film. Sure, Gonzo had some moments of weird in MFS, and that was the best we had at the time. But it seems that, for all his small appearances in the last 2 films, they at least got him to do wacky stunts instead of feeling depressed that he didn't get to deliver a little girl's letter to Santa.
  18. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    It just seems that Gonzo is not doing anythfing anymore, he's one of the core muppets, Rowlf and Scooter are secondary characters, they being phased out in the movies only hurt hardcore muppet fans, no one else really noticed sadly, but Gonzo is one of the five main characters, and him getting barely anything to do in MMW is worrying to see.
  19. Gonzo14

    Gonzo14 Well-Known Member

    I can see your point, and as my name suggests, Gonzo is my all-time favorite Muppet and I'd love to see him get more screen-time. I guess when I hear the phrase "phased out" it sounds like he would appear less and less until he eventually disappeared completely (example Seymour the Elephant). I don't think that will ever happen to Gonzo, but I do agree that after look at the earlier films, Gonzo has taken a step back. Part of the reason this doesn't bother me as much is the resurrection of characters that many of us never thought we'd see again. If someone told us 5 years ago that Uncle Deadly would be on the big screen in a major supporting role, our jaws would hit the floor, so that makes it a little easier to deal with downsizing Gonzo. In my opinion that is.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    To be fair, that was two movies. The first he was designated to a brick joke, the second they actually featured him a bit more, and for plot reasons he didn't join the expedition to find the real Kermit. I have not noticed a lack of Gonzo outside of that, and remember, for 3 movies, Gonzo outnumbered Kermit in screen time. And he did the commentary for MFS with Rizzo. So it was very much the Gonzo and Rizzo show up until recently. And then Gonzo got focus again in that Christmas special. Still, if you look at the merchandise, he's still right up front. He has an ornament this year. The character isn't going anywhere.
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