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It's Official: Disney completes Muppet acquisition

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Apr 28, 2004.

  1. Mark Filton

    Mark Filton Well-Known Member

    These are only my opinions. Don't take me too serious :D

    Benefits? Yeah, I guess there would be "benefits" if you sold them to drug dealers, too. The benefits are tiny. The bad is big. We lose the Muppet Magic.

    I am SICKENED that NONE of the Henson kids want to make the Muppets their life's work. Those kids make me PUKE :grouchy:

    So, crummy Disney has them now.

    The Muppets will "turn out alright?"

    Yeah, just look at Mickey :cry:
    (a crying mouse for you!)
  2. Beebers

    Beebers Well-Known Member

    Few people follow their parents into the parents' lines of work. The Henson kids have the right to own their own lives and choose their own work just as we do.

  3. doozertime

    doozertime Active Member

  4. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf Well-Known Member

    All right, Mark...enough already!!


    *YOU* don't like Disney

    *YOU* don't like the Henson kids for handing the Muppets over to Disney

    *YOU* don't think anything good will come out of this deal and that the Muppets will be ruined.

    This is all YOUR opinion and it's an opinion that's shared by a lot of people, but it's also NOT shared by a lot of people. Then many others -- myself included -- prefer to reserve judgement and would rather wait and see what Disney does with the Muppets first before jumping to any conclusions.
  5. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    You forget, Brian Henson has at least one major character currently (two if you include Phil Van Neuter), John has one of the most popular characters (Sweetums), and Cheryl is very active in the Muppet Workshop. If I remember correctly, Lisa helps run Columbia/Tri-star which used to be the distributer for Muppet videos. I'm not entirely sure where Heather gets involved, but all the kids are active members with the Muppets.
  6. RightHandMan

    RightHandMan New Member

    Muppets Mess

    What a mess.
    You've all discussed Muppet merchandise, Eisner, company politics, etc. But the really important thing here how this affects the people at Henson. This being a fan site, I think you would be concerned about the people who have invented, designed & created the Muppets over all of these 30+ years.

    The Muppet Workshop in NYC has but all disappeared (5 people service Sesame Street) from the Jim Henson Company. The LA Creature Shop (who is now in charge of the Muppet characters) is a shadow of it's former self. Henson Product & Publishing people are all gone. They even fired their Production & Development teams. There is no Muppet creative left at Henson & Disney knows nothing about puppetry & puppet design. And all of the very talented 50+ former Henson employess who helped build this empire are floating around looking for work.

    If you are looking for a certain continuity of characters at Disney you may be disappointed. I doubt that they will preserve the true nature of the Muppets.
    The Muppet humor & behaviour will be watered down. The Muppet edge will be lost. We will most likely lose some of the performers that give them that special edge because Disney doesn't care about that stuff. For them, it's only about graphic images & merchandise.

    The Muppet characters may be sucessful at DIsney, but they will change. They will not be the friends we have all grown to know & love. It will be like all TV characters when they are reborn. Take "Lamb Chop" for example.
    Shari Lewis introduced Lamb Chop in the early 60's. This critter was edgy & Shari was too. They disappeared for a while & then came back in the late 80's. They were awful - like Barny. That's what will happen to the Muppet characters.

    Very sad!
    Very sad, indeed.
  7. mb22

    mb22 Member

    Has anyone seen the article at jimhillmedia.com ? If accurate, it's not too positive.
  8. MuppetNewsFlash

    MuppetNewsFlash Active Member

    Jim Hill says, "Tell you what? As soon as I get some good news that relates to the Muppets, I'll post another article here at the site."

    Does anyone really remember when he has put a positive spin on anything of late?

    If you want to listen to Jim Hill Media you just as may walk into any city across the country and take the Apocalypse Evangelists at their word as well. Either way according to both the world is basically over.

    I think everyone needs to look at this purchase in a very Muppet way, think of the Muppets as Robin and I guess that makes me start as Bernadette Peters because if just one person believes in you, deep enough and strong enough believes in you, hard enough and long enough, before you knew it someone else would think, if he can do it, I can do it. Making it.......
  9. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    >>And -- speaking of cutting -- wait 'til you hear about the deal that Henson had to cut with Disney in order to keep Kermit's image as part of their company logo. Because the Frog is now the Mouse's property, lawyers for the Jim Henson Company allegedly had to get a special clause added to the acquisition contract. Which stated that -- while Kermit the Frog was still to become the property of the Walt Disney Company -- the Jim Henson Company would still have the right to include Kermit's likeness as part of that company's logo for a set number of years.<<

    Well, that's news to me.
  10. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    How about when he has ANY news that is either new or true? All i ever see from him are rehashes of things that have been posted on forums elsewhere or just things that have happened that are completely obvious (ie:- the website change). That Muppet Babies CGI story has been mentioned on both this and the Palisades forum many times. I don't believe his quotes either, they are all written in his own style.

    Anyway i thought he was reporting that neither Henson or Disney were going to go through with the aquisition and it was more than likely to crash and burn? He said that about a month or so ago didn't he? I haven't yet noticed him explain or acknowledge how assumed them having a couple of problems meant that. Everything seems to get conveniently forgotten. Exactly the same as when he said Brian and Lisa were forming a pact with Roy Disney to get Eisner out and then weeks later Eisner announced he had signed the deal to aquire the Muppets after months of talks.

    Personally i blame popping candy. It can be very addictive if you chew too much of it and lead to burst eardrums.
  11. McFraggle

    McFraggle Well-Known Member

    Yep, whenever Jim Hill is wrong he will say "we'll I was wrong but... because of me Chris Curtin was put in charge of leading the division." I don't put a lot of stock in tabloid journalism, because half of the time his "sources" are just fanboys with opinions.
  12. Bean Bunny

    Bean Bunny Well-Known Member

    I find it funny that Jim Hill is now attacking Screamscape with a rumor that he posted on his site. The Screamscape guy knows about Hill's article and he tells him that the rumour about the "Western River Expedition" being added to Calforina Adventure is just a rumor, but from a well know source. Jim's responds to this by writing another article today about the rumor. So far he has written three articles about this. Okay, here's my point. Whether it's Muppets, Micky Mouse or Michael Eisner, Jim Hill will proably make stuff up half the time and talk to imaginary sources within Disney and Henson. :)
  13. Raech

    Raech Well-Known Member

    I wish someone who loved the Disney Parks and the characters and movies took place instead of Eisner. That man has run Disney into the ground.

    I haven't been to Disnelyand in like 3 yrs but it used to be spanking fresh and even the themed trash cans were freshly painted. Now everything looks shaby under Eisner who obviously doesn't get it and doesn't care.

    Disneyland was shabby and sadder when I went 3 yrs ago. And don't get me started about that abbomination he attached to it.

    I would love to see Eisner out do that the Muppets and all Disney properties could flourish. My two cents. My opinions are my own.

    But I see a lack of interrest or understanding from Eisner. A lack of caring about why things are good and why characters are good, why the parks were good....

    Since he doesn't care. I don't see a lot of optimism w/o someone else taking charge of the Muppets in Disney.

    I did not read why the Muppets were sold. I was very sad though. I hope it was only out of deep need and not want of money or money fighting. I was very surprised when I read Disney bought them.

    Hope this means no ill will toward future Farscape projects. Since the creature shop is all but dead.
  14. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    :rolleyes: *shaks his head*
    Lission Pal.... NO ONE know whats going to happen with "Disneys Muppets" now ok? The thing is, we're all hear for the ride. The deal is sealed and closed, Mickey owns them lock stock and barrel...so un-less you have millions and thousands of $$$ to by back the Muppets from Disney (witch id dought they would sell them for any $$ b/c they have been at this for 15 years for this to happen) When i called Disney (the lady in Eisners office waz named Misty, who waz very swett and kind to me on the phone, i waz calling Disney about a animated movie i had in mind, it sounds like a GO to the way she sayed it all i need now is an Agent) sounded VERY happy that Kermit & Co joined Disney. and she sayed she CANT wate for NEW Muppet projets she heard they have in the wings for us (she hints Muppet babies on PlayHouse Disney and Muppets OZ moive too me and a posible Muppets @ WDW DVD "soon" and she sayed they POP in here on MC every know and then on the Forums, so your doin Good Phil, lol) :) But like i sayed pal we ALL hear for the ride and it looks like its gonna be fun..... but then theres the People who mone and gron about "we dont have enuff Muppet Movies or Merch or what ever, then somthing Good comes along like this and People STILL mone and groon, but any ways.... in an odd way I think Jim and Walt up there planned for THIS deal to happen (but thats what i feel any wayz) :smirk:
  15. Elbarbo

    Elbarbo New Member

    Times over....

    I think what everyone is forgetting about is how can his son give up what his father fought for so long and hard to create. Im sure there were times when Jim was approached himself, but he had a dream and wanted to see it out. All disney wants is a Icon they can profit from and more puppets to put in there Parks!

    Shame on you Brian for giving in, You never could live up to your father.
  16. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Well-Known Member

    I'm sure many people would take this moment to point out that Jim Henson himself was planning to sell the Muppets and his company to Disney shortly before his untimely death...
  17. McFraggle

    McFraggle Well-Known Member

    Andy, thanks for saying it before I had to. :)
  18. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Well-Known Member

    You're quite welcome. It seemed like a good idea...

  19. McFraggle

    McFraggle Well-Known Member

    :) LOL!
  20. Jennifer

    Jennifer Active Member

    Remember, the last time the Muppets collaborated with Disney we got something as good as "MuppetVision 3-D". Here's hoping we still will.

    Even though I don't always agree with the decisions the present-day Disney company has made (and I hope Eisner doesn't let the door hit him in the rear end on the way out), Disney holds enough of a place in my heart that I have faith in it. As for whether Disney's done anything good lately...well, there's Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Lilo & Stitch, and Fantasia 2000 (I dare you not to clap at the end of the "Rhapsody in Blue" sequence). Among others in my opinion (I liked Brother Bear.)

    Is it me or did anyone else think Monsters, Inc. was very Henson-ish? Maybe it was no coincidence that Frank Oz did a voice. (Side note: according to IMDB, Pixar's staying with Disney after all!)

    There's a good article here at toughpigs.com about the deal and Danny's feelings on it. He makes good points about the advertising muscle that will now be behind the Muppets. Better to have them over-promoted than under-promoted, or treated as a nostalgia piece only (though we certainly shouldn't ignore nostalgia). I'd love to see them re-release the movie soundtracks on CD, maybe do a wider release of Muppet Shows, even release some of the early stuff like Frog Prince and Muppet Musicians of Bremen on DVD.

    Besides, both Disney and Jim Henson were architects of my childhood dreams. So why shouldn't they collaborate? :)

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