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Little things we've noticed

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Mary Louise, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Perhaps he counted on Zoot falling asleep.
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  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Or maybe Kermit remembered what Floyd said upon seeing Rizzo as a waiter: "I'm glad we've got no money, 'cause now I've got no appetite!"
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  3. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've noticed that while none of the Play-Along Videos were ever rereleased, the Sing-Along Videos included quite a few clips in the opening.
  4. chudman1000

    chudman1000 Well-Known Member

    In anticipation for the new Muppet movie, I´ve been watching one episode of the Muppet Show per day. Well after watching through the entire series, something caught my attention while watching the very last episode last night. Every member of the Electric Mayhem is part of the show´s orchestra except for Dr Teeth. Upon viewing shots of the orchestra pit I JUST noticed that he was nowhere to be found. I know he wasn´t really needed because they had Rowlf on piano, but I just couldn´t believe that I never noticed after all of these years of watching that the band´s leader was missing from the group.
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  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I noticed that in the talk spot with Juliet Prowse, Kermit points out that Juliet is "going to be on the show a lot". Of course like every guest star she never appeared on the show again, but I wonder if there was consideration early on for celebrities to return as guest stars again (perhaps dropped when they no longer had trouble getting guest stars).

    I also noticed that in all the movies, they never cast any Muppet Show guest stars in major roles (just cameos), and both The Jim Henson Hour and Muppets Tonight never had guest stars who played major human roles in the movies. It could be a coincidence, but I also wonder if they didn't want young viewers to confuse the guest stars with the major characters they played in Muppet movies.
  6. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    In The Muppet Movie, Kermit and Fozzie pass Big Bird on his way to New York (East coast) during Movin' Right Along. Yet, Big Bird ultimately ends up on the West Coast in Hollywood for the finale.
  7. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well Big Bird also thought it would take 3 hours to walk from Illinois to New York.
  8. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    I had really always thought Blind Pew was performed by Brian Henson - dunno why, it was just his similarities with Sal and Dr. van Neuter, but I was watching his scenes again (I think, personally, one of the comedic highlights of a very funny movie) and finally realized it was actually Jerry Nelson. I'm usually pretty good at guessing what performers are what character, but Jerry really sailed past me here. What a great vocalist.

    "Watch where you're going, you stupid cat!"
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    On The Muppet Show, there were only a few shots of the audience tapped, reused whenever a shot of the audience was needed. In some cases, they are shown singing to whatever song is being performed (maybe it's just me but the lip-synch doesn't look too bad regardless of the song). Sometimes, a shot of the audience would only be used once, if it had something to do with the act being followed (such as when Fozzie had a tough time with the whole audience).

    But in the Madeline Kahn episode, following Happy Feet, the audience shot is a shot not used anywhere else. I noticed Zelda Rose wasn't in the audience, and I don't think many of the other same characters are, either. But I wonder if that was meant to make a big deal out of Kermit's tap-dancing performance. Another thing I noticed about that: Before cutting to the audience, we briefly see Statler and Waldorf cheering, not really making any funny comments or insults or anything.

    I recently watched the "Sherlock Holmes" sketch on YouTube, and saw that it's actually 2 minutes and 14 second slong (well, the YouTube clip ends with the first second of Kermit introducing the closing number). I guess part of that had to do with the fact that the sketch wasn't intended on being the UK spot, but still, it's odd that a UK spot would have lasted longer than a minute (I wonder if they would have been able to squeeze the time to 2 minutes if they cut Kermit's introduction and/or the audience applauding at the end).
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I've always thought that Statler had visible eyebrows, but after watching a bit closely recently, I've noticed that we seem to see a bit of eyelids above the "eyebrows". So now I wonder if those are actually eyelashes as opposed to eyebrows. And it's not often you see a male Muppet (or male cartoon character) with visible eyebrows. Unless there's other similar cases I haven't noticed (Do Animal, Herry, and Sweetums have eyebrows or eyelashes?).

    Though tonight I noticed that Link Hogthrob and Marvin Suggs both seem to have eyelashes. Weird.

    DW McKim pointed this out in regards to a scene from the first episode on his blog, but recently I've been noticing that whenever a character or object fades away or fades into view, it seems all characters hold still while it fades (whether they turn the cameras off and back on or if they keep the cameras rolling and then cutting out the crew making changes). All this time I thought maybe the effect was done by blue/green/black screen. But when seeing things fade in or out of view, I've noticed slight fading on the other characters who are supposed to stay there, as if their performers tried to hold them still, but couldn't do it perfect enough (or maybe the camera people couldn't hold the cameras still enough). One example is in the Pigs in Space "dissolvatron" sketch. There's flashing lights in the background the whole time. As things fade away, it seems you can slightly see additional fading on those flashing lights.

    All my life I thought Beaker wore a white lab coat. So I was surprised when I first saw the action figure had a light green lab coat, though Ken Lilly often said that lighting sometimes makes things look a different color. But then I've been watching some Beaker appearances, and have only now noticed a tint of green on his lab coat in certain sketches (the season two Muppet Lab sketches that have a blue background, the "elevador shoes" sketch), though there are also times when the lab coat looks white to me (a different coat or a lighting difference?).
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I read a Tough Pigs article regarding a recent public appearance by Frank Oz, where he mentioned a scene cut involving a family of little people in lockers by the Muppets (they showed up at the premiere unaware they had been cut). I guess that person in the bottom locker would be a result of that. And I thought the first locker scene ended a bit awkwardly, as if something was cut.
  12. David French

    David French Well-Known Member

    Two members as Janice was not a proper member of the house band. A Beaker clone of her turns up in the closing credits of the Mac Davis episode.
  13. LamangoNumber2

    LamangoNumber2 Well-Known Member

    Dr. Teeth was in the bandpit during Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie during the Moulan Scrooge.
  14. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    In "Letters to Santa", Miss Piggy sings happily with the others during the "Delivering Christmas" song in some parts, but in others, she's in a grouchy mood.

    Also, at the end of that scene, when the Muppets are all in the mail cart, Camilla is in the cart with the other main characters, but she was never seen going through the conveyor belt.
  15. beakerboy12

    beakerboy12 Well-Known Member

    In Muppets at Walt Disney World, Lips was seen trumpeting during the instrumental part of "Rockin' Around the World" but not in the rest of the song or when the Electric Mayhem is seen on the monorail.

    Also in TMAWDW, Bean Bunny is seen with pink sunglasses entering the swamp but he's without sunglasses in Disney World.
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    What I find weirder: It seems they couldn't make up their mind as to whether The Swedish Chef is part of the gang or seperate. He's seen with the Muppets when they enter Walt Disney World, and is with them in the swamp at the end, but when he appears serving tacos, I get the sense he was already working there. After all, he's not among the group when the guard captures the Muppets, and his part of the finale is part of a montage, appearing behind his cart but never in a group shot.

    Also, Beaker isn't there at the swamp at the end. It would have been great to have seen him there with the bucket finally off his head. Bunsen's still there. Did Beaker wander off and get lost with the bucket on his head or something?

    Also, since Rizzo helps the guard capture the Muppets, I would think the security guard would go easier on him, but when he captures them all, Rizzo's with them, as if he's going to be punished just the same. I'm not surprised he would betray his friends, but I would be surprised if he betrayed his friends expecting to be in trouble with them. Somehow I think they should have had Rizzo react to this, as if he'd been betrayed despite his help.

    And that special seems to imply a side of Mickey Mouse we don't know. When the security guard is first seen, he's talking to a boss on the phone, I assume Mickey but can't remember. When he catches Rizzo and Rizzo brings up Mickey, the guard seems to be worried about what Mickey would do to him if he didn't catch the Muppets (and the Mickey Mouse we all know isn't a threat). Eventually the guard does catch the Muppets, who did break in without paying, but then it turns out that Kermit was an old friend of Mickey's, the guard suddenly feeling like he's in trouble, and at the end is shown scraping gum off a bench, as if he was in trouble for capturing a friend of Mickey's (who, I said, didn't pay). He did his job and didn't know they were friends, so he shouldn't have been fired for that.
  17. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    The pig knows that when a production number is underway to stop everything and be tres fabuloux regardless of what else is going on.
  18. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I watched You're the Director for the first time. I read a description a long time ago, but for some reason by the time somebody uploaded it on YouTube, I had low expectations for it (despite it being rare and having so many secondary characters not used much in the last two decades), but it was a lot better than I was expecting. Many made-for-video Muppet productions tend to only have a handful of established characters, filling out the productions with new characters (or existing characters recycled into new characters), but this one seems to have a lot more known characters (I counted nine).

    Anyway, one thing that I had known previously was that David Rudman performed Strangepork here and his voice is heard of Strangepork on a few lines. But I was surprised to hear Rudman do the voice for one line in a song but Nelson doing his voice for the rest of the song. I thought the songs were always pre-recorded, so why have Jerry Nelson only sing some of his lines? Unless there was something wrong on that part of the audio and Jerry Nelson was unavailable for rerecording.

    Another thing I noticed is that Kermit isn't really in much of it. He's backstage between the making of "movies", but doesn't take part in the films. I don't know how many days it took to shoot, but I wonder if Jim Henson's schedule was limited (it probably was). Kermit appears in the studio, Rowlf and Link take part in one movie, and The Swedish Chef makes a cameo in one of the movies. None of Henson's characters appear in the third film (and Statler appears without Waldorf).
  19. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    The whole Swedish Chef/Beaker goof probably resulted from a shortage of puppeteers. I can't think of man scenes from MAWDW in which all of the main characters appears together (except maybe the scene where the gang meet Mickey and maybe the scene before that one); even Clifford is absent from the group shots of the "More! More! More!" song at the end.

    As for Rizzo, I don't think he was really betraying his friends. I always thought he was messing with the security guard the whole time.
  20. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Was Clifford still techinically supposed to be part of the Electric Mayhem during "The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson"? I know there's never any direct reference, but sort of makes sense. The interview that Jim did on the Arsenio Hall Show to promote MAWDW seemed to indicate that Clifford was supposed to be a permanent addition to the band. But because of the sudden passing of both Jim Henson and Richard Hunt, and the fact that Frank Oz wasn't always available, there really wasn't much that could be done with the Mayhem. Clifford not being with the band in MCC was perhaps due to the unavailability of Kevin Clash. And by the time MT! rolled around, it was already decided to make Clifford the host, while the principal Mayhem members practically made very few appearances. Also, in MCJH, there is a reference to MAWDW, and Clifford is seen next to the principal band members at the end of MCJH.

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