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More Non-Muppet-Shaped Muppet Toys

Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by jvcarroll, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Well...these are interesting...strange that unlicensed Muppet products are getting by like this, but hey, more Muppets around. That can't be a bad thing.

    (And though these are poorly made, I like that Rowlf a lot. :sympathy: )
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Small monkey shaped blank figures. Sometimes made to be customized (as the case here). They're from a couple years back. They also had Bunny shaped ones, if I can recall. I think those were "Dunnies."

    Essentially, these are Munny figures (you can tell by the bodies) with Sculpy Muppet heads on them. Their heads are wide, probably to cover up the ears of the original toys underneath.
  3. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Some of them might be based on the Bub figure, which has a narrower head with small ears at the top.
  4. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    So then they REALLY aren't worth the price if someone is taking another figure and slapping clay on it :/
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    You realize you unwittingly said something that would totally tick a figure customizer off, right? I've heard it's not exactly a cheap hobby. The paints, molds, clay... all that does kinda cost a fortune. Not to mention the man hours putting it together.

    I used to be on a M.U.S.C.L.E. board, and someone was selling custom figures made out of special kinds of plastic. He sold them for something that sounded insane for a small minifigure armyman type thing, but it was justified because the special plastics and silicon for the molds was hyper expensive.

    I'd say the cost of these figures is justified in so much that, if you were to try to customize these things yourself it would probably work out to slightly less than what they're charging. Remember, retail toys, even though the price has gone up to a shockingly high degree, they deal in selling massive volumes where the molds and prototype and license pay for themselves as they usually expect several thousand units to sell. And if they don't, a big company can take a loss and just sell the remainder to clearance outlets. Big difference, there.
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  6. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm not a toy customizer, so how the heck am I supposed to know what it costs? I don't understand how, if they are customized pre-existing figures, that it is legal to sell them.

    Look, I'm not saying people shouldn't buy them. If you have the cash to blow, more power to you. I'm saying in MY opinion, it's a waste of money when you can buy something of better quality and official for cheaper....although when it comes to the muppets I'm not so sure about the "quality" part
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The legality is all I'm wondering about. I'm sure they're not going to sell thousands of these. Probably a small, limited quantity. I honestly don't understand the legal loopholes that let custom T-shirt companies have thinly veiled parodies of pop culture icons (to the point where it actually is pop culture icon drawn ever so slightly different). I'm pretty sure I could go on one of them right now and see perfectly drawn Adventure Time characters with some small variation that keeps them in the thin Parody law. That's why I'm too afraid to do DA prints.

    It's not the Munny/Dunny thing that bugs me, so much as this is the copyright of an infamously protective company. The one that sued a Day Care center. That protective. I don't think it's in direct competition of actual Muppet Merchandise due in part of the cost (and the fact there's so little of it out there... I mean, Dog clothes yes, but small collectible figures no?)... I just keep seeing cease and desist letters when I see these things.

    And they don't look that bad. They look like something customized... rough around the edges, Kermit's a weird color... you can see the clay sculpting details. It's not as polished as an official piece. Still, I can't imagine they have that big a profit margin for these.
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  8. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Rough math of 18 figures (unknown, but probably 200 of each) = 3600 at $40 a piece = $144,000 gross. If only 1/3 of that is profit, then they're netting $48,000. Not huge, but substantial enough.

    Again, I love this sort of stuff. It perplexes me that the legalities escape scrutiny, but it doesn't bug me that much. I just wish things like this had Disney's official blessing. They're more open with independent artists than one would think.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And that's if they sell a lot of them. I don't see them selling too many of these, unless there's a lot of custom figure buyers out there. Then again, I'm sure that most of the Palisades figures cost at least that much now.

    I really wish that Disney would give its blessing to a similar idea. I could see Kid Robot Muppet figures around that style going for 10 bucks each and doing fairly well like the Fox animated sitcom assortment they have.

    All and all, I'd rather a second series of Funko Pop figures.
  10. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Interestingly enough, right now I'm having trouble with a perfectly legal composition for a company sanctioned contest. I played by the rules set forth, but a week's work is likely down the toilet because of legal confusion over conflicting properties owned by the same company. This is not the first time I've run into weird circumstances within sanctioned, licensed product. I actually enjoy the challenge of navigating through the system so I don't understand how people can totally circumvent it. I guess lawsuits cost money so most small-fries are overlooked and they think it's somehow kosher. A lot of people do it and these figures are really cute. Also, I don't think the Kermit coloring is to evade trademark. Pantone# 376 just seems like a brighter green than he should be. There was along Palisades conversation of that.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I never said that. It's clearly off color by accident. Like the paint dried too dark or something.
  12. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I thought someone said something like that. Yeah, it's a completely different shade of green. The pantone is 100% accurate, but doesn't take into account how light hits fleece. That gives a dimension and darkness to the color on screen. So basically Kermit toys of correct coloring look a little too lime-like.
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  13. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

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  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Something tells me knowing the exact shade of green to use is a professional/style guidey thing. Even more evidence that these are customs.
  15. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it seems that they've used the busts to model these. The character selections indicate that too (no Sweetums, Robin, Rizzo or Pepe, but at least they remembered Floyd) and Sideshow Kermit s a darker green. :)
  16. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Well, series two has been revealed...
    I'll have to admit that their series one Rowlf was wonderful and Fozzie and Kermit were really cute too. Bunsen is definitely the winner in this bunch. They even went with a classic hue for his skin color. I expected that Beaker would be a tough challenge for this template. I just don't understand the Miss Piggy represented. I'm not keen on the likeness, but I find the frumpy dress, absence of pearls, lack of eyeshadow, gloves and shoes bewildering. It's like the sculptor had never seen Miss Piggy before. :mad:
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That or he stylized it to high heck and back. Looks like the dress was supposed to be a Karate gi and they managed to screw that one up. Her head is far too wide to get the likeness to work remotely.
  18. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

  19. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Nothing that makes her "Miss Piggy" is present here. It's awkward.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They got the eyes close and not much else. Maybe the ears.

    The head shape really throws everything else off. It would look meh at best if it were correctly shapen, though. Stylization doesn't do a thing for the figure.

    Of course, I like the Bunsen, but they really overemphasized his jowls.

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