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Positive And Negative: Kermit's Swamp Years (Opinions on KSY)

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Powerstars, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    I could go into an endless speech right now, but I won't...
  2. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    That goes without saying...
  3. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    The fart shoes are OK in my opinion...as long as Fozzie doesn't perform it on stage.
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I just watched the movie again for the first time in years. And I've got some things to say, aside from what I posted here earlier.

    This movie takes place in a universe where animals can talk to humans but don't, Arnie the Alligator's reason being "Frogs that talk to humans get killed and cooked and eaten alive!" I find this a little unbelievable for a Muppet production, since we've all grown up with so many Muppet productions where humans do talk to animals, animals behave like humans, and humans generally don't question animals who act human.

    And then the animals start talking to humans because of Kermit. I wonder how fast it took for news of it being okay for animals to talk to humans spread around the world. Kermit should have gone down in history for being responsible for it being okay for animals to talk to humans, but I guess he didn't. If Kermit had such a reputation/fame for this wouldn't his friends have been aware of this when meeting him in The Muppet Movie (I know, nobody who worked on the film thought there'd be a prequel)?

    The credits list "monkey" as a John Kennedy character, but WHICH monkey is it? There are two monkeys in the film, one in the "Life as a Pet" number, and the one Kermit encounters when he falls on the truck. Both got roughly the same screen time, neither being more important than the other. And I'm not too familiar with John Kennedy's voices, aside from those that sound like Jim Henson's gruff voices and his Floyd voice.

    The credits also list "Chico" among Steve Whitmire's characters. This is the spanish-speaking frog, but he's not mentioned by name in the film (I think he's mentioned by name in one of the extra outtakes on the DVD). It's also a shame that Jack Rabbit doesn't introduce himself by name.

    Most of the "soundtrack songs" are very forgettable.

    I noticed Wilson just picked up Goggles and Blotch upon seeing them, and he later chases after Pilgrim (not sure if he intended on selling her, keeping her as a pet, or what). Is this how pet shops normally obtain pets? By finding strays and selling them? Around this time there was a Sesame Street episode where Big Bird adopted a pet turtle, who left because he was a wild turtle, not a pet turtle.

    And is it realistic for frogs to be alive during biology class? I only had to dissect a frog once, but the frogs were already dead before class. Ironically today I also watched the Dinosaurs episode "Employee of the Month", which begins with Robbie's class dissecting cave people, who are still alive before dissecting.

    When Wilson sees Blotch and Goggles fighting, he just puts them in a seperate cage. Shouldn't he have just put the two in seperate cages from eahc other? And why put frogs in a cage with a snake?

    And if animals are not supposed to be talking to humans, then how do Kermit, Croaker, and Pilgrim obtain that bag of popcorn in the movie theater? Sneak it away from an audience member? Find a full bag that happened to be in the theater? Get on top of one another and cover up in a trench coat and maybe hat and fool everybody?

    And what was up with all those bunnies that keep appearing?

    Early on Wilson says he needs to find the right dog for a pet, and at the end offers to be Pilgrim's owner. But what was so special about her to him? That she can talk? In this universe all dogs can talk, though I guess he felt she'd be the only dog who would admit to talking to him.

    That flashback where a frog talked to yougn Hugo Krassman is unsettling. It shows that a Muppet could die, though we never exactly know that he went through with it. And what is it they were calling him, "Froggy pants" or something (I meant to turn on the subtitles so I could see the exact words but forgot)?

    And after falling out of the truck, why DID Kermit continue carrying that squeaky toy? Aside from it being a plot point (if Kermit didn't carry it for so long Pilgrim wouldn't have known he had it, and therefore wouldn't have know the truck belonged to a pet shop).
  5. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    What does Ziffel mean? The only Ziffel I know is Fred Ziffel from Green Acres.
    Pros-Kermit as a kid, Croaker, and Goggles. I actually like Pilgrim(I may be in the minority).Life as A Pet song is actually catchy with a cameo of Be-bop--dediddly-dog-bop from Bunny Picnic. Young Jim,Young Statler And Waldorf
    Cons-Potty jokes, and the remix of Rainbow Connection. (I love the original too much to accept it). Dr. Krassman and his back story aren't interesting.
  6. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Arnie probably meant animals he knew. e grew up in the swamp where animals are obstacles in the way of "progress" sad but true. The having frogs alive is probably so Kermit and Krassman could have a totally unnecessary scapel fight like the movie Kermit sees, but I'll love everyone of their movies unconditonally.
  7. Powerstars

    Powerstars Well-Known Member

    Well guys, I say it's about time to open another one of these threads. Any requests?
  8. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Why do we need another thread opened???
  9. Borples

    Borples Well-Known Member

    Have you done TMTM? I think, for most people, that one has quite a few positives and negatives.
  10. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    I think he means a postive/negative thread for another Muppet movie.
  11. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Oh lol! I was confused! I was like "huh?" Well in that case knock yourselves out. :)
  12. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Hmm Kermit's Swamp Years. I got to watch my DVD of that again. Haven't watched it in awhile.

    Pros - An Idea of Kermit's humble begainings. Lots of awesome inside Jim Henson background gags not to mention see a young actor play Jim saying "hmmm" then a pan to The Henson's mailbox. I loved that. :)

    I think there was this funny blooper on the reel with Bill Baretta talking to a frog with a Spanish accent. lol

    Isn't a younger Waldorf and Statler in the movie too?

    Con - Seeing a Frog's butt? UGH! Don't need to show that. Besides, that's where the hand goes. (Corny puppetry joke, couldn't resist. lol), But yeah I totally agree too much scat humor and that dark CGI fly. Though I can't remember the plot much except for the dog with a familiar voice, some bully toad, The one with the glasses performed by Joey M (I need to learn this guy's name, he works on Sesame). And something about saying no to science teachers who are trying to study the inside of frogs. Other than that, that's it. And as a Muppet fan, one I see something, I can remember 90% of it but with this...hmmm, I hate to say the plot is a con because I got to see it again.
  13. Powerstars

    Powerstars Well-Known Member

  14. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yes they are seen much younger.
  15. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Muppets Wizard of Oz could be good! It's not terrible, but I ccan think of some cons.
  16. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    But can you think of any pros? *joke*
  17. Vincent L

    Vincent L Well-Known Member

    It has Muppets in it.
  18. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    I actually LOVE all of Pepe's little asides as well. I laughed a lot. I watched it twice in a row. Also, Fozzie and Gonzo have SUCH a deep moment on the bridge!
  19. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yes. I do enjoy most of it! The main flaws are basically Ashanti not being the best choice for sweet little Dorothy. She wasn't perfect, but in every other version she did want to go back to her aunt and uncle, and I was hoping Rowlf would be Toto.I'd like to do one with both pros and cons in a good supply.

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