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Recasts for Fraggle Rock movie

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by Princeton, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. grovelwood528

    grovelwood528 Member

    this is how i think it will be cast and this is going by performers who have already replaced other muppet/sesame characters:

    red-karen prell
    mokey- kathy mullen

    stephanie d'abruzio or leslie rudolph i feel could perform either mokey or red

    boober/traveling matt-dave goelz
    wembly/sprocket-steve whitmire

    gobo-matt vogel or peter linz

    junior gorg- david rudman or kevin clash
    pa gorg-matt vogel
    ma gorg-cheryl wagner, leslie, or stephanie, or maybe a celebrity voice
    madame trash heap-either rudman, clash, or vogel

    cantus/convincing john- either steve whitmire, bill baretta, or maybe brian henson as a tribute to his dad
    (cantus is one of my favorite characters btw)

    and doc should be played by like an older actor such as wilfred brimley, clint eastwood, mickey rooney, dick van dyke, john voight
  2. theSHE124

    theSHE124 Well-Known Member

    A friend of mine told me that I have the potential to sound like Red! Weird, huh? :excited:
    Anyway, that same friend told me he can sound close to Scooter. ;) Hey guys, can you sound like any characters from Fraggle Rock?
  3. jgidley

    jgidley Well-Known Member

    Karen Prell already said she'd perform Red; nothing from Kathy Mullen about Mokey though:dreamy::excited:
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  4. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Do you dislike Pocahontas too?
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well Pocahontas was just too pretentious for me. You can have an environmental message without throwing it in people's faces. Plus the whole "princess wanting more" thing was getting old at that time. Even as a kid I thought "Again??" Lol
  6. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    The Nostalgia Critic made fun of that saying "You'er already royalty! What more do you want?"
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  7. Princeton

    Princeton Well-Known Member

    Well, technically Belle wasn't a princess for ost of her moie. But I find the "Belle (Reprise)" very relatable because I've lived in a podunk little town my whole life and there's nothing I wouldn't give to to have at least a little adventure. So that just leaves Ariel (if we're starting with the Disney Renesaince) and realistically it must suck to be a mermaid. Yes, "Part of Your World" is an overrated Disney song and I'm getting tired of hearing it at auditions, but it sums up the realism of Ariel's situation perfectly. So, Pocahontas's 'problem' is that Kocuum is 'too serious'. Well, Poke, HE'S A FREAKIN' WARRIOR!!! What do you want him to do, tap dance and sing "Must Be Chicken Tonight"?
  8. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    True! But compare his reaction to being home to everyone elses. They're all hugging the little kids, and their wives. Kocoumm has a big group of little fans, and he's just standing there thinking "Hmmm....whatever."
  9. Princeton

    Princeton Well-Known Member

    That's a good point, but remember, Kocoumm is the top warrior in the tribe: a snooty attitude comes with the territory.
  10. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    As long as he doesn't say "No one's slick like Kocoumm" I'm happy.
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Oh I know they're not all princesses but it's the same old story. Independent free spirited girl wants more. And it was great in the beginning but it really got old. And every time Disney would pretend it was a brand new, creative idea, lol.
  12. Princeton

    Princeton Well-Known Member

    After seeing the interstitials for the Hub marathon, I sincerely hope that John Tartaglia is not the official Gobo recast. I love John dearly, but he was not attempting to emulate Jerry in any way.
  13. Vicki Fraggle

    Vicki Fraggle Well-Known Member

    I really wish that they had gotten Matt Vogel to do his voice in the recent clips, I do agree though, I adore John, he made a good try. I just think Matt could do it better.
  14. Bliffenstimmers

    Bliffenstimmers Well-Known Member

    I disagree. I think John's done a great job as Gobo so far. Honestly I could barely tell the difference between his and Jerry's voice at first.
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  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I hate when fans complain about "wrong sounding Muppets."

    Remember, when recasting a character, sounding the same isn't the first requirement. If you don't get the character, it doesn't matter if your voice is a complete perfect imitation boarding on forgery. Remember, the requirements (based on observation) are personality, availability, and sounding like them at the very end. Look at how many Scooters we went through to get David Rudman, who's been doing recasts of Richard Hunt characters since before Richard died (Look at Cliff's Nightmare. David was performing Sweetums while Richard was performing a sausage sandwich).

    John does sound similar enough to Jerry (he just doesn't have Jerry's signature raspy voice, neither does Matt), but darned if he didn't act like him and have amazing chemistry with Karen Prell's Red. Gobo wasn't some guy playing Gobo that wasn't Jerry... he was Gobo.

    That said, if the movie even happens at this point, I'll eat my hat. And trust me... I'm in the mood to eat that hat, but that hat looks very safe.
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  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I don't think people are upset that the voice sounds physically different. It's deeper than that. I remember an interview with some of the original Disney animators saying that changing a voice makes a different personality. It would be like if you or I suddenly had different voices. Even if an actor has a good grasp on a character, they can't recreate another actor's personality. It's just not possible. There will be differences and it's understandable that some fans just wouldn't be interested. You're not going to like every actor who plays a character.
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  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The best you can get is very very close.

    You're stuck with the options of a character being pretty close to the same or just having a huge hole in the cast either going empty or being filled with a character that no one's going to like.

    Yet, when Rowlf and Scooter were finally officially recast in the last film, most fans weren't happy with them. They didn't get nearly enough screen time! I never thought retiring characters accomplished anything. It sounds respectful, but then you wind up forgetting they ever existed. And worse, newer generations never get to see these characters. I admit, there are times that it is done out of respect and accomplishes it... not having the Joker in the last Batman film (though I have no idea why he couldn't have been refereed to at least), and retiring Troy MacLure from the Simpsons. I don't think Jim would have wanted the likes of Rowlf and Scooter out of the picture permanently.

    As far as voices go, you can't get the same exact performance out of the same actor. Every character goes through a voice transformation, usually from going hyper cartoony to something closer to the actor's natural voice... happened to Bugs Bunny, Homer Simpson, Pinky AND the Brain. And usually the relaxed versions get more emotive.
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  18. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I'm tired of the "Oh, Matt should have all of Jerry's characters" argument; it's completely invalid. YES, Jerry hand-picked him to take over his characters. But let's look at this:
    • Steve didn't Rowlf or Dr. Teeth; he wasn't ever recasted as them. Heck, David did the Swedish Chef in MCC. Steve got TWO of Richard's characters.
    • Eric didn't get Sam at first or even Cookie Monster
    Sure, we'd like to see how Matt would do Gobo, but he doesn't HAVE TO perform him just because he's doing the rest of Jerry's characters. Matt isn't really even involved in the Henson Company's escapades anyway.

    Oh, but he doesn't sound the same? Watch the videos again; John actually does the Jerry-type-manipulation of skipping syllables in the mouth movements from time to time. That kind of attention to detail shows he clearly knows his stuff, so don't be so quick to dismiss him.
  19. Vicki Fraggle

    Vicki Fraggle Well-Known Member

    Well, everyone has an opinion, I think it's time to agree to disagree, I'm sure we all feel that the most important thing is to get Fraggle Rock back in to the world, and I am so happy they've done just that. Not everyone has to like who's playing who. And when I comes down to it, when I have my own children, I won't care who's doing the voices as long as the characters are there, spreading the same message of happiness and tolerance. That said, I gracefully bow out of any more recasting arguements.
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  20. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    If up to me, the casting would be:

    :smirk: John Tartaglia (He did a pitch-perfect job in the promos!)
    :excited: Karen Prell (I don't think her fans would have it any other way!)
    :sigh: Dave Goelz (I think he'd come back for it.)
    :coy: Steve Whitmire (I still view Wembley as Steve's signature character.)
    :dreamy: Kathy Mullen (I hope she'd be available.)

    David Rudman for Junior and Bill Barretta for Convincing John.

    The others, like the Trash Heap, Ma and Pa Gorg, would be filled out as needed.

    As for Doc, I think it's important for Gerry Parkes to appear. Maybe they could pair him with a younger actor in order to give him an opportunity to pass the torch when needed. I think it would be great to include the international Docs too. Some sort of inventor's convention could take care of that. Think of all of them in the same room!

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