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Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Brooklyn, Nov 15, 2007.
I'd like to get a second opinion on that...
Not touching the other issue you mentioned, but I never heard kids being "encouraged" to swear. Certain kids pick it up from their parents, and they think it's funny, and make crude jokes as soon as they hit 3rd Grade. I needn't get into the AIDS jokes kids were telling when I was young.
Herald is right. Kids aren't "angelic" at all. That's the thesis of South Park. i knew my fair share of Cartmans... trust me.
Back to the topic...
example? Kid shoots up his school. What do they do? Question his motives? Look at his home life? Check out what's happening with his life? See if he was brutally picked on? No. They sort of enforce people to check I.D. before you can go into an R rated movie.
I mean, As I said a while back, you get too caught up with worrying about a smaller issue, a larger one sneaks in under your nose. They made such a big deal with kids being fat (which is an important issue) they completely ignored all the different things can get high off in the kitchen. And when they got to that, it was too late to do anything but Warn people about it. Other than the "watch our news cast at 11. We've got horrifying information we're withholding for ratings purposes" it didn't get quite the media attention as the same nutricionists coming in and saying the same thing over and over.
Funny story. Remember how the Elmo singing toy (the plastic jukebox one) caused a problem because some parent with horrible hearing misunderstood an overly compacted file coming out of a 2 cent speaker? How she thought it said to beat up Elmo? Well, it was one of the toys that was recalled for lead a few weeks later. kid probably had lead poisoning way before it corrupted his 2 year old mind.
But going way back to the subject-
As I said before, some of the things SS did in 1969 were bold, and actually jarring to the mainstream. A lot of those things that were so bold became common place. One example? The diverse cast. That caused quite a lot of controversy for a lilly white medium like TV. Now, that's no problem.
I will say I can't blame SW for our world being full of overprotected parents that have to sheild our children from reality. I can just blame them for going along with it.
I mean, I know SW can do bold things if it wants to. I mean, this is the same company that flies people in to the most dangerous places in the world to try to use their message to spread peace. They made those videos for military kids whos parents had to keep getting redeployed and coming home in iron lungs (though, granted, I wasn't happy they used muppet characters to illustrait that point... it's like seeing G.I. Joe and Cobra Commander having a tea party. it's wrong somehow). I know they can do something like that. problem is, with SS being so sanitized now (no thanks to parents that don't watch the show with their kids and talk about it, which is what they're supposed to do), where are they going to put something like that?
Big Bird an "acid casualty?" Gordon a potential sex offender? 1969 Sesame Street bad because iPods hadn't been invented and the 123 building needed renovation? That guy has one heckuva sick sense of humor; no TV show is perfect, but to blame his own jaded and cynical outlook on a show that doesn't agree with him is going too far.
Thank heaven that it's not just old-school fans without kids, who miss seeing Cookie Monster eat cookies and act like a monster. The whole idea of the original character wasn't to be a role model for healthy eating--or for any other behavior; Cookie was supposed to embody young children's obsession with favorite foods and with putting everything in their mouths. I'm glad to read that at least some parents today understand that--and that they're not blaming TV shows for childhood obesity. Whew!
Actually... I always thought that Cookie embodied Jim Henson's bizzare sense of humor where monsters constantly eat things. Cookie Monster to me was a character embodiment of Jim's Earlier work.
I still think that a couple songs don't change that. I'd love to see him go back to eating cookies, but I'd rather see him go back to eating trucks, letters, brickwalls....
Oh absolutely, a lot of the foreign shows haven't gotten to that "success" point and are still quite bold. I definitely admire the American and foreign perfomers for trying to make these shows in other countries a reality, despite the enormous difficulties they face. Marty Robinson once talked about a puppeteer who worked on the Israel/Palestine show who was crying just before filming. She found it very difficult to preach peace and friendship on the show since she had lost family members in the battles these cultures have. I mean how do you preach frienship when people are killing your family and friends? But she composed herself and did the show anyway, because she knew it might have a positive impact on future generations.
In a new BBC Documentary called "Crazy Rulers of the World", they show how the CIA literally uses Sesame Street music in torture sessions with Iraqi prisoners and people at Guantanamo Bay. When asked about this, the current Sesame Street composer seemed surprised the government would do such a thing.
Of course, the same Republicans who tried to shut down Sesame Street and PBS, now are making Sesame Street create pro war specials, explaining why various Muppets parents are coming back injured from wars("Dont worry Elmo, your dad was courageously trying to kill the evil brown people) Is it any surprise the US defense company RAND is working with Sesame Street?
So yeah, you could say Sesame Street has changed.
On the other face, Sesame Street now has to be squeaky safe and sterile.
Sure, it was inappropriate for Dutch Sesame Street to show full male and female adult nudity in shower sequences with kids...but I cannot think of anything inappropriate in 70's and 80's SS.
What was Sesame Street about in the late 60's?
At the time America was going through a literal near civil war, a cultural revolution where mass rioting, massive anti war demonstrations, and sweeping change was going on with the ugly face of inequality rising to a fever pitch.
With the nation reeling from Vietnam, massive civil rights being destroyed,
JFK-MLK-RFK being killed, and the true face of poverty in America's inner and rural cities coming to the forefront, Sesame Street was born. The world NEEDED Sesame Street.
Having it take place in an inner city was brave and neccesary, and not the fantasy world it could have become.
I LOVE the original Sesame Street as I love the 80's and even 90's Sesame Street.
A disclaimer that kids play in a dump? Cookie smokes a pipe? Oh brother.
"We must warn you, those filthy ghetto children are seen in their natural dump habitat, which will seem alien to all you Gap shopping SUV suburbanites out there!"
Sesame Street has gone off the deep end Im afraid, and "Abby Cadabby"
aint going to save it.
Someone on here said Sesame Street ended in 1992. Well by 1998 it was still good, Elmopalooza is still one of my fave Sesame things.
But no way should Elmo's World take such a large portion of the show.
Exactly the point. Those were times that weren't ruled by suburban Soccer Moms and other parents that either work 2 jobs or more to get big expesnive greedy things (as opposed to the parents that work 5 jobs and still have to be on food stamps due to the massive corporations paying Congress to keep the minimum wage at 1995 levels).
Heh heh. Exactly. Even the poorest kids out there don't even play in that sort of stuff anymore. Something like a shocking bit of reality would shake up the rich suburbanites who think that Baby Einstine is actually going to make your kind into anything but the spastic ADD case you're going to turn him into.
I have to say Children's TV took a big slug in the stomach in the early 90's no thanks to a certain someone. I mean, at the time PBS was still realling from those horrendous Dudley the Dragon and Bloopy's Buddys shows (which wasted the tallent of one Johnathan Winters, lemme tell you). But even then, SS still shined out on top.
I think it was a lot of what happened post 9/11 that helped to kill the show. Remember, that's when they remade the show so they have a nice comfortable structure so kids won't be jarred by...well, I won't go into anything as political as all that, but sufficed to say, due to stuff that happened way before they were born, a bunch of evil nasty people want to kill them for no reason.
Oh! Would Jim Henson himself stand for such a thing? I think not!
Ok I've never taken up smoking myself, but I seriously doubt kids start the habit because they saw Cookie Monster doing it. lol
I guess there's three reasons I never took it up.
1. I'm naturally hesitant to try anything new, lol.
2. My Grandpa, a smoker himself, warned me what a nasty habit it was
And 3. My parents made it clear I'd be in huge trouble lol
I think we're forgetting that they want to purge all media of any references to smoking. All the way up to PG 13 movies. What was it? All movies that now feature smoking will be rated R?
That'll learn the big Tobbacco corporations.
Guys... Would like to remind you to stick to discussing the ways that SST Old School differs from current seasons of the show, the changes that've taken place transforming the program we all love. Try to leave the added discussions for another thread if you believe it pertinent to say something on the matter. Thanks, just trying to keep things tidy around here.
.......Wow, lol. Well, I do find their choice of music rather ignorant. There's plenty of music that's genuinely painful to listen to, heh.
I don't know the whole story so correct me if I'm misunderstanding. But many European countries do have different standards regarding nudity.
I think the world and this country does need Sesame Street today, especially regarding communication. People are all on different sides of political and social issues, and they refuse to listen to each other. From where I'm sitting, we need to have different points of view to eventually come to a truth. Both liberals and conservatives need to learn to stop pointing fingers and start trying to understand each other. Even in the school yard, children tear each other apart because of differing personalities.
Richard Hunt felt lucky to be on Sesame Street because "we get to teach kids how to live with each other. The sooner you realize that you can get on to more important things."
I agree, I think they were trying to be sensitive, but it ending up being a bit the opposite.
Way off topic, but wait'll I get into Japan's very odd nudity in broadcasting laws sometime.
Anyway, this topic has actually popped up in other webboards. Not kidding. And it all seems that everyone's taking this far too literally. I mean, they were trying to pass some B.S. that they don't think that kids would like to watch old School episodes. And they did this with a small disclaimer at the beginning of the first episode. I have to say that the real message appears in the inserted booklet. It says "I encourage you to watch the current episodes with your child."
Now, I didn't see that message say, "Watch out. If you watch this dated material with you're kid, he may grow up to be slightly deranged" (or something like that.
I find it hillarious they think that the older episodes aren't educational to todays kids. Maybe not as entertaining to kids that just want to see Elmo and Abby in every episode. Maybe confusing to not see Baby Bear and Hero Guy, but certainly, I disagree with the concept of it being "not educational." I talk of course about kids who would expect to see all the current characters.
I'm sure if parents watch these with their kids, and explain to them there's no Elmo or Zoe, the kids may be exposed to a different world.
And who knows, maybe that world will catch on.
What surprises me is that last season they taught "danger." The Little Jerry song "Danger" is rather out of date and unacceptable to be shown today... but maybe "Danger's No Stranger" is up-to-date and "hip" enough to be rerun The Pinball Number Count can still be shown, and I know it was last shown in Season 33 in 2002. It'd go great coming after a "Number of the Day" segment with the Count's organ!
If you can believe it, there is a Season 32 episode on Sprout that features Jazz #2, but it wasn't in the episode originally.
I deleted the two posts about 9/11 because they weren't on topic and, being political in nature, might take the thread way off topic and have a more negative effect on the thread rather than a positive one.
Put the kids to bed....It's Sesame Street!
I found out that they have deemed the first 10 seasons of Sesame Street unsuitable for today's children.
In this thread, let's try to list all the things the PC crowd would shake their heads at.
- The fact that Cookie Monster is addicted to cookies.
- That fact that Oscar permanently lives in a trash can, and is never affable.
- The fact that Ernie is seen in the bathtub (from the waist up!) (*gasp* Implied puppet nudity! Not to mention that when Bert is in the same scene, it might send the message to the children that it's ok to walk in on someone when they're naked! Highly doubt that.)
PC Moms: Good. They've successfully incorporated people of different races and disabilities and have them live together in harmony and cooperation. But we've got to do something about that Cookie Monster!
Continued from above post: I know! Let's make 'em say cookies are a sometimes food and regulate his eating habits!
How about these "bad examples":
- The fact that a rock band calls a random stranger from a pay phone to sing about telephones. (Sure, they get arrested in the end, but...)
- The fact that a "mad painter" vandalizes people's property with numbers and never suffers any real punishment.
- The fact that a certain blue monster acts very unprofessional towards his customers, no matter which job he takes.
- The fact that no teacher ever appears in Roosevelt Franklin's classroom, and that most pupils there speak rudely or sarcastically.
- As for Ernie's rude and selfish behavior towards his "old buddy Bert"...the examples could take days to list. It's a miracle that Bert still considers Ernie a friend!
I'm sure that most reasonable parents wouldn't want their children copying those aspects of Sesame Street either. Poor social skills can harm someone as badly as a poor diet, yet no one's seen Bert sing to Ernie about minding his manners...or Charlie sing to Grover about treating customers respectfully.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that every character on the show should be a role model of some kind. Sesame Street would have become terribly boring if everyone went through the same kind of misguided reform that happened to Cookie Monster. Still, it bothers me that parents notice one problem and blame Sesame Street for it--yet ignore other problems that could have triggered the same response.
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