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Sesame Street Old School DVD's: Not For Kids

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Brooklyn, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Are these PCers trying to be The Grinch-esque persons of the world by stealing away all of our character personalities and leaving the characters with a lack of personality? I mean, if they want that, then they must also get rid of programs they themselves viewed as a child, for every character--whether cartoon or otherwise--has a personality befitting their characterization.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Exactly the point. That is part of the reason why making characters who aren't white and male are so difficult. If you add any personality to them, it's deemed racist or sexist. Which is why Token females or non-whites are just that. Devoid of personality out of fear of retaliation.

    I mean, with Sesame Street, all the characters have some problems.

    Telly isn't just a worrywart... he overly emotes all his feelings. The Count's counting can be seen as obsessive cumpulsive disorder. Zoe's personality could be misconcieved as ADD or ADHD. Rosita's panicking (where she speaks only in spanish and really fast) can be concieved as a stereotype..... when you get down to the bottom of it, the only characters that these people have no problem with are the kids that don't really do or say anything, and are just in the background. And that's not beneficial.

    To me, the world is full of people with problems and quirks. How does it look when your kid grows up around characters with no personality? How can they relate to real people? There's a bit of Oscar, Cookie, Bert, Snuffy (et.c) in everybody.... I feel these characters having quirks, emotions, feelings, are better for kids.
  3. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    And the same can be said for many characters and not just Henson's.

    Heck, Disney's own Sensational Six members have lost most of their personalities via the "Clubhouse" to the point that the stereotypes we often know them for having essentially were the basis for their character in that series. Poor Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Goofy, and Pluto. *shakes*

    I just hope the holiday season of peace and good will changes the Scrooge-esque hearts of those whose greed lead them to power. But, it doesn't look likely, sadly. :cry:

    *sings "The Twelve Days of Christmas" with the Disney gang (Chip n' Dale, Carabelle, a fourth of the Sensational Six [Mickey, Minnie, Donald, and Goofy], a children's choir, and a narrator)*
  4. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Hard to believe, but I have experienced this.

    Oh yeah, I don't mean kids need to get the references now. I said kids just need to be exposed to them now, so they mean more later on. I'm talking about kids years down the line who have never heard of these things, because they were never even exposed them. These references are just random history lessons, and the kids feel no connection. And yes, the Ruby Yacht thing was very amusing to me years later as well, lol.
  5. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Especially when they could be essential in other endeavors.
  6. erniebert1234ss

    erniebert1234ss Well-Known Member

    I'm going to jump in here.

    I was born pre-1996, and I have to say, I'm really unhappy with the way SW has underestimated all the children. If they keep making these sets, I'll keep buying them.

    Also, I think that shows like "Play with me Sesame" are better for all ages, mainly because the show isn't so condescending to the children. The disclaimers on these DVDs smack of arrogance and ignorance more than anything else.

    (although the LTGC disclaimers that came in after v3 are just as bad IMHO)

  7. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    They're just made to satisfy PCers needs, IMO.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And to detract first time parents from buying anything and everything with the SS label on it so they can quite down the baby for 2 minutes...
  9. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    And it's funny...the Street isn't even for babies, anyway, for what 1 or 2 year old is going to get anything out of most segments (sans Elmo's World, which is a spat on the Sesame legacy in order to shove the red menace onto TV screens for 12-20 minutes at the end of each show)?
  10. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    The disclaimer is necessary. Television censors have different guidelines today than they had in the early 70s. In the early 70s, adults smoked all over television. Today, you can't show adults smoking in a kids show (unless it is part of a very clear 'smoking: bad' segment). Early SST followed a different set of rules-- completely separate from culture references and comfort zones.

    I don't believe any of it has anything to do with Cookie monster eating lots of cookies or Oscar (who still lives in a trash can). There are people who buy SST for kids-- any SST-- and don't look at what they're getting. Plunk an Elmo-obsessed three year old in front of SST Old School and the kids is going to be confused. I'm not saying the kid won't enjoy it-- but if you promise a three year old Elmo you better deliver Elmo. If you promise a three year old something different, that's fine (they are perfectly capable of adjusting) but don't say the "E" word if you don't plan on delivering. :o

    When SST premiered it was aimed at 5 and 6 year olds. Today it is aimed at 3 year olds. That's a huge difference. Six year olds are reading, writing, going to school... Three year olds are (often) still learning to use the bathroom.
  11. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    The disclaimer is silly, and we all know it. Censors are biased, air-headed idiots, and we know that, too. It all ties into political correctness, which shouldn't be controlling things meant to entertain, educational or not.
    That's what's wrong with things now. How many little kids younger than 4 will take away anything from any TV show, no matter the format? Almost none, that's how many. This is way parents--regardless of their own lives--should always put in time to teach their children before putting them in front of the 'tube, because--as we know--TV shouldn't be made a babysitter, because a good portion of TV now talks down to kids and makes them feel stupid and--for older kids--uses MTV-style humor done in bad taste to sell themselves to the public.
  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I do agree more with the experts who have been saying 1 to 2 year olds do not benefit from watching TV the way slightly older kids do. It's a system of a much larger problem. Parents have to work more and don't have the support systems they used to, and so have less time to be with their kids and the TV takes their place.

    I bought the DVD for Big Bird in China recently. I'm very happy to have it, but also distressed to see there had been a couple cuts. In the original version, there was a running gag that Big Bird mistakenly says "do you speak American?" as opposed to "Do you speak English?"

    This new DVD very obviously cut those moments out. Now I can only speculate why but it could be because someone thought it now sounded insensitive or ignorant. Or that they didn't want kids learning the wrong wording.

    I personally thought it was completely unnecessary to do that. Children do have a life beyond Sesame Street, and do eventually learn (either from their parents or teachers) that the proper phrase is "speak English." There's no need to shield children from a simple joke.

    In any case, it seems to be the same issue as the Old School disclaimer. There's too much emphasis on little PC issues and meanwhile we're ignoring much bigger problems our children are facing.
  13. Muppet Newsgirl

    Muppet Newsgirl Well-Known Member

    Right: the Henson crew and CTW intended Sesame Street to be a supplement to what the kids learned from their parents and in school - not a complete replacement. The purpose was to get adults and kids down in front of the set together, so they could discuss it afterwards.

    And you know - as someone who used to watch the classic SS and similar shows in her early years, I believe that those esosteric puns make the show very fulfilling, whether you get them the first time around or not. They make you think...and even if you don't get them, they still sound funny or cool.
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Also, as far as kids expecting to see Elmo. Yes, they may initially be disapointed. But they often get over these things if they are encouraged to give something different a chance. Kids are very smart, but they also needs parents to guide them, and not just give into their every wish.

    In kids in school don't want to learn History, we don't tell them "Oh ok, if you don't want to, we won't teach that." We explain to them that History is important and that they will benefit from it.
  15. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict Well-Known Member

    Don't think it was ever limied to age 5 I've even read 3 or 4.

    Even this article says 3 as wel as 4 or 5.

  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Exactly, a supplement! Nowadays, the show seems to have the impression that it's supposed to do everything for parents and not with them. And again, that may be because parents just don't have the support system they used to have. It's unfortunate.

    Yes, and I remember hearing the "American/English" joke years ago. Looking back, it was good that I was exposed to both phrases and concepts, which are similar but slightly different. Again, kids are not as clueless as so many seem to think. They do not need to be protected from confusion, heh.

    And I think Mike is correct, classic Sesame Street was for 3 and 4 year olds as well. :)
  17. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    And yet, as children go into their high school and college years, history sadly becomes more of an elective more than a requirement.
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That's true and perhaps that's partially explains why our world is in such crummy shape. We are on a mission to ignore and forget everything that came before us, as is we've got it all figured out now. We will have nothing left to preserve if we keep thinking this way. Plus it's rather immature and self centered of us to think that the past was "so different" from today. People haven't really changed that much in reality.

    Also, I don't think kids start smoking because they see Cookie Monster do it. I saw adults smoking on kid's show, but I never wanted to take it up, because it was explained to me by my family and teachers how harmful it was. And also even if you saw smoking on kid's shows a few years ago, it was used for humor or to develop a character's personality. Not to encourage smoking; they were always talking about how harmful it was.

    Again, Sesame Street is supposed to be used by a parent, not instead of a parent.
  19. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh Well-Known Member

    More than perhaps. It is true, because if we don't learn from our history, the mistakes made in years past may return to repeat themselves or if we don't preserve our history, we would forget where we came from in terms of what got us to where we are currently.
  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Very true!

    Also about the smoking issue, kids often start smoking because they want to fit in with their peers, which indicates an insecurity within themselves. If adults focused more on building kids' self worth and not what Cookie Monster is or is not doing, things might actually improve in this world. :)

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