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Sesame Street to Introduce HIV-Positive Muppet

Discussion in 'Sesame Worlds' started by Phillip, Jul 11, 2002.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    WHAT ABOUT SOUTH AFRICA!?!?! Wasn't that the whole point? Instead of this heated debate about gender preferences.

    Once again, I think people should be who they are, gay, strait, even both. But really. South Africa's the problem, not the US, the Morality crusade, not that stuff at all.


    Now, let's get back to South Africa.

    (By the way, I'm repeating South Africa all this time so I can remember what we were talking about!
  2. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member

    I realize that you are angry, but who are you trying to insult here... Special_Ed or developmentally delayed people enrolled in special education classes?;)
  3. radionate

    radionate New Member

    Hey W lover,

    Nobody really, I was just really upset and it was a little play on the fact that he has been mis-typing everyone's name (radiationate, Monkey Man).

    Trust me, not giving anyone any ammo!:D
  4. Special_Ed

    Special_Ed Guest

    Dr tooth,

    Your comment on your philosophy is what I'm talking about, situational ethics. "If it feels good, do it." is an unacceptable way to behave.


    You did not give anything to support that Homosexuality is harmless, when you do I shall rebutt.

    If I were making fun of your opinions, you'd know it.

    The things you have metioned that Dutch TV teaches children are none of Dutch TV's business. Leave parenting up to the parents.


    If an internate conversation is upsetting you then you are just too into these things. That's the silliest thing I"ve ever heard.

    1.) Your life story proves nothing. It does not provide a complete and thurough history to explain anything. There is no such thing as a gay gene and if they ever claim to find one you can be certain that gay groups all over the country will quickly try to protect the so called gay gene from being tampered with.

    2.) Blaming God for your choice of lifestyle is a cop out and a sad one at that.

    3.) I have been reading the other threads, just not posting. I'm a very busy man and only have time to post in things I chose to post about. I am not in the dark ages and nothing shall ever remove my morailty derived from God!

    Fellow lover,



    I don't deliberately try to get your names wrong, (that time I did, just to show how silly you're being.) You know who I'm talking to and that's what really matters.

    -The Special Edmeister
  5. Jackie

    Jackie New Member

    I think it would be a good idea for them to introduce an HIV-Positive Muppet on Sesame Street...I mean we've shown paralyzed people, blind people, why not someone with a disease. It doesn't matter what the problem is, we should be accepting and love all people, no matter what kind of disease or problems they have. I say it will expose the child to a new kind of disease that they are usually shaded from, and educate the parent a great deal.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Sniff Sniff! True true true!!

    But I can't tell if I'm crying because you're speach is beautiful, or that no one read my Telephone cat post!
  7. Hays

    Hays New Member

    Special Ed - I am not, personally, a Christian, but I have a real problem with Christians sermonizing about someone else's behavior when the New Testament QUOTES Jesus as saying "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone."

    I think this is because (though, again, I'm not a Christian) as sinners we probably don't have a clear idea of what is a sin and what isn't. That's God's job - our job is to muddle through as best we can and let the rest of the world do the same. I don't think homosexuality is a sin, and there is good evidence that the Bible doesn't think so either (if you don't include the Old Testament - but there many, many "sins" listed there that are clearly ignored by Christians - eating pork, for example)

    I hope that my earlier statements about toddlers not being ready for discussions about sexuality didn't give the impression that I support any kind of judgement about someone else's personal life, or that I believe that homosexuality is wrong. Don't forget the Declaration: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." I think it is wrong to stop anyone from pursuing happiness just because what makes them happy is different from what makes me happy.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    How about a scone? Can I cast the first scone, then?

    Sorry! I'm just trying to releive the tention...I caused....uh...by telling that joke!
  9. Jackie

    Jackie New Member

    Yay Hays!!

    I wonder if I have any sin? LOL! :)
  10. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Hey Guys,

    I just wanted to post a link that BlueFrackle gave to me in chat. He has an article on his SUPERB website that we all know and love. It's all about the South African version of Sesame Street from a magazine article and you can view it here. It's large pictures so it takes a while to load !

    I think this would be useful for people trying to give their opinions on how the show in question would handle things if they knew more about it - so nows your chance !

    Love and Penguins,
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Is it just me, or is Elmo part of the cast there as well? Maybe i's his African relative!

    All I know, is that they have Big Bird as a part of the Chinese cast!
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Is a scone like a muffin? (Had to be asked)
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually it's more like a biscut, like one you'd make from Bisquik, with stuff like rasins or blueberries in it!
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    But would it be in the muffin family?
  15. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    Yes, I believe you could classify a scone as a member of the muffin family. But maybe we should find a scone and ask it, I'm a big believer in self-labeling. :p

    Umm, you can toss scones this way. Especially if they are fresh and of the raisin variety.

    Joggy-- I found your post quite interesting. In my opinion, Americans do get uptight about some very mundane parts of human existence. I wonder what other topics are covered on some Sesame Streets and not others? Does the Dutch Sesame dwell on cooperation-- sharing, working together-- a lot?

    I'm looking at the article, thanks for the link, Luke.
  16. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    We were all discussing South Africa? lol

    Seriously, I think this is a very good idea in South Africa and probably well overdue there. AIDS is on the verge of wiping out much of the population of Africa and South East Asia. It's a disaster that is made worse by Western Nation's reluctance to address the issue properly and African and some Asian governments refusal to acknowledge the crisis.

    Any AIDS education program in Africa is a good idea at this point, both for awareness and prevention. From what I've read the goal of this character is to raise awareness about a crippling disease and promote tolerance and understanding of it...and as we have already discussed at length, tolerance and understanding is a good thing.

    BTW, there is an interesting book from UNICEF on the use of puppetry in education around the world and it has sections on AIDS - portions of the book are online at Puppets with a Purpose - Using Puppetry For Social Change
  17. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik New Member


    I see the point that you're trying to make, but how can you put being gay in the same classification as being a thief?

    A someone who constantly steals can be a threat to me. A person who is gay won't be a threat to me just because they are gay.

    I know that we'll never see eye to eye on this issue. I can't speak for other people, but all that I am asking for is for you to hear what we have to say. You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, but you just have to know where we stand. I know that I have tried to see things from your angle. I don't agree with it, but I have come to accept that some people feel the way that you do...
  18. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Emmy, you know what - I think Ed just wants a fight. Phillip and several other members are right - we should steer the discussion back towards something directly Muppet-related.

    If Ed wants to prohesize his beliefs - and that is certainly his right - the internet offers a multitude of other, much more appropriate forums to do it in.

    Let's get back to the one subject everyone agrees on - the Muppets!
  19. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    Buck-Beaver, thank you for the link! What an interesting book. As a Muppet fan and a sociologist, I am fascinated.

    Here's a link to purchase it on Amazon (hope this works):


    Yes, anything that could help the situation in Africa and parts of Asia is definitely worth a try. Treatment and prevention are, obviously, essential and get most of the attention (which, I believe, is only right). But understanding and compassion are such an important part of being human. Hopefully this character will help children learn to interact with the person and not just see the disease.
  20. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik New Member

    Yeah. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

    Whether we agree with him or not, those are his beliefs. There's nothing we can do. To each his own.

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