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Sesame Street to Introduce HIV-Positive Muppet

Discussion in 'Sesame Worlds' started by Phillip, Jul 11, 2002.

  1. Special_Ed

    Special_Ed Guest


    Why should we specifically introduce every form of disease known to man to young children? That's the problem here. Since disabilities/diffeences have been tackled in the past on SS, them this issue has been addressed by the show already and to hit every specific thing to be tolerent about would be redundant.


    Go read Theselonians and get back to me.

    To understand the subject of eating pork you must understand Jewish history and biology of the day. There was a reason why pork was not to be consumed by the jews, the animal very easily carried disease. In the New TEstament this law was taken away.

    We are given pure moral guide lines to follow and are not to just muddle through. YOu can also learn from the past and those who have come before us to understand what is right and wrong.

    Just as soon as my good friend returns my HIstory book to me I'll give you so great quotes to use too.


    I put being gay and stealing in the same classification because they are both sins and therefore equal.

    Buck Beaver.

    No, I don't want to fight, I want to share the righteous love of the Lord with you. :)

    I guess I'm just too much for you, if you're chosing to give up....
  2. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E New Member

    <It's more than being a good or bad person. IT's accepting Christ into your heart and living it>
    Believe what you will. I respect that.
    But, I hope you keep an open mind to everything else mentioned here. If people did not keep an open mind about all religions & beliefs, then we'd be just as vulnerable as, say, Osama Bin Ladin & his terrorist group.

  3. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E New Member

    <I put being gay and stealing in the same classification because they are both sins and therefore equal>
    So ... Shoplifting from Nordstrom is in the same category as who somebody is? Huh????????????????
    Who you are attracted to is part of who you are. Go as deep as you want, but it's true. I'm attracted to girls. I was born that way. It's part of "Who I am."
    I know that I said in an earlier post enough was enough. But, I can't resist a debate:))

  4. Special_Ed

    Special_Ed Guest


    No, I am not open minded of other religions. Why would I be open to lies?
  5. Special_Ed

    Special_Ed Guest


    I happened to bump into my old high school health teacher tonight at Wal*Mart and we talked about this debate. I was surprrised that he agrees with me on this, it's learned behavior and if you are born with it then it is indeed a birth defect.

    Isn't being attracted to children part of who a child molestor is then?
  6. trekkie1701E

    trekkie1701E New Member


    Putting a simple attraction in the same category as somebody who hurts children is crazy. Why do you think men being attracted to someone is the same as a sixty year old man having sex with six year old boys? "Because the bible told me so." Well, Did you ever consider that this may be a "belief?" Have you ever wondered why the word "believe" is associated w/religion? You say that other religions are a lie. How do you know? You don't! Why can't you believe in something but still be open to other ideas? Are you that narrow-minded?

    Is Osama Bin Ladin your hero?

  7. Joggy

    Joggy Member

    Yes it does. Sesamstraat (our SS) is aimed more at social behaviour rather than basic learnings like the alphabet and numbers - although those do play a rather prominent role - because the original target group for Sesame Street (inner city kids who are too poor to go to school) is not as large in our country.

    There was a time in the early eighties when our SS emphasized emancipation and really exaggerated it - for a while, it was simply WRONG to have the female characters do housework on the show and wear dresses etc. The women would always do carpentry in overalls, and the men were always working in the kitchen. Has US SS ever gone through a time like this?
  8. matleo

    matleo Active Member


    Several years ago Maria (one of the humans on our street) went through a series of jobs mosty in construction and the like because women's lib was big at the time. Our SS is going through a similar thing now following the attacks on the world trade center where understanding different ethnicities is important, and dealing with grief is important and so on and so on. I have no problem with an HIV positive Muppet on the South Afircan version. AIDS is huge problem over there and it seems lik the curriculum they want to cover can be done. they're not using Muppets ot teach sex or religion or whatever else. like our Muppets teaching grief and understandging right now, the South African SS is being relative to its society.

    To all--
    I'm surprised that we've discussed HIV this much and no one has mentioned Richard Hunt yet? or have I just missed it?

  9. Jackie

    Jackie New Member

    What makes other religions lies and yours right?
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    No, but there's this guy in Boston who was arrested for trying to bomb Jewish land marks. Maybe he is.

    Seriously. How can someone so religious be so blind? All religions are the same! They just trail off, and they follow someone else.

    This is EXACTLY why there is so much war in the world! People thinking their religion is the true religion. We have the Israelis and Palistinians blowing themselves up because their holy books say "God gave them that land." We have Ireland, and people killing others because of their religion. AND THEY'RE BOTH CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS!!!! The Protestants and Catholics kill each other over their religion.

    If there's one thing I get out of going to church (I'm a Christian!!!) it's this. I think the most important message is in the ten commandments, mainly "Love thy neighbor!" No matter what, who, where they are. It's a sad sad state of existance when religion, the one thing founded to keep peace amongst God's creations (should you believe or not) is why so many people hate each other and try to kill each other.

    Or as Yoda said, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate." (I'm well aware a puppet said that. This is the Muppet Central board you know!)
  11. EmmyMik

    EmmyMik New Member

    In getting back to the topic on HIV/AIDS (sorta), a thought crossed my mind. I know that last year's MuppetFest dealt with the charity "Save the Children". Perhaps for the next MuppetFest there should be a charity auction or fundraiser for some kind of AIDS research or AIDS education foundation. It's just a thought...
  12. Special_Ed

    Special_Ed Guest


    No the Bible did not tell me so, common sense told me so. Someone said that being attracted to who you are attracted to is who you are, therefore what's the difference between a gay person and a child molestor? It's part of who they are too. Your logic has backfired.

    Yes I do KNOW that other religions are wrong. The Bible can be scientifically proven as being correct, where all other religions can not be.


    Teaching feminism on SS is insane! Feminists are worse than the "oppression" of whivh they complain to be "victims" of.


    Richard Hunt die of aids?


    Because thingin the Bible can be PROVEN To be fact! Especially the flood of Noah.


    No, not all religions are the same. There can only be one TRUE religion! I don't think Christianity is right, I KNOW it is!

    I do love my neighbor, I just don't accept what they do.
  13. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Member

    That's a good thought Emmy! I think Henson has a history of working with Save the Children and that is why that charity was picked, but I could be wrong. There are a ton of AIDS education and research organizations out there-- many that work specifically with/for kids.

    It's really nice to see someone looking for ways to help and make the world a better place! :D

    Yoda is very wise, it doesn't matter that he's a puppet. The whole point of Star Wars was to create a modern fable that demonstrated right and wrong, good and evil. We're supposed to take life lessons from it.

    I would like to ask that we all try to be respectful and rise above that which is hurtful and inflamatory. Let's not get down to the same level. That will only serve to exacerbate the situation. Name-calling isn't very Muppety. The Muppets put up with Statler and Waldorf without hurling insults back. Lecture over. :p Thanks!
  14. sal

    sal New Member

    Aids in Africa is the greatest tragedy in the World today. The scale of the problem is enormous and the plight of Africa has been largely overlooked by the Western World. Thank you Sesame Street for raising the awareness of adults in the West to this issue. Perhaps some US politicians now know where South Africa is? (just below Zimbabwe, which has an even greater Aids problem)
  15. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member


    Now you know that Richard Hunt had Aids, What do you think of the Henson Company ?

    They hired someone who had Aids...

    (I have not problem with it at all)
  16. Jackie

    Jackie New Member

    Re: Ed,

    That's because the Henson company accepts, loves, and understands all kinds of people...
  17. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member


    I know that !

    But i wanna know Ed's take on this...

    see ya
  18. matleo

    matleo Active Member

    Re: Richard Hunt

    I don't know if it was AIDS that killed him but it was HIV. As most people know there is a difference between the two. HIV is what causes AIDS. Whether Hunt contracted the disease through drugs, sexual or preference or what I do not know. But I can say this, he was a great talent and a treasured member of the Muppet family. And he is missed.

    BlueFrackle not to blow your deffense but I don't think they hired Richard when he had HIV. I'm pretty sure he was a puppeteer first, HIV victim second. Either way. Yes, Richard Hunt died of HIV. And yes Jim knew about that before he (Jim) died.

    You bring up an interesting point that most of the wars fought are religious based. Look at World War II for example. Adolf Hitler wanted Jews exterminated for their beliefs. You may be interested to know that SS has produced a Pakistani co-production that is deisgned to try and bridge Pakistani and Muslim beliefs and are currently at work on an irish co-production to try and brisge the Catholis church and...the catholic church. Incidentally, I have heard that they are actually havign a harder time with the Irish production that the Pakistani production. when they put these co-prodcutions together it's interesting cause they send puppeteers from our S over to train the puppeteers in the other countries. And they really have to try and find puppeteers who are in touch with what is important and funny in that particular culture. So when they design something like South African SS they design the curriculum to be topical o that culture. As Joggy pointed out having girls go to school in the Denmark production or having two different street in the Pakistani production with a bridge between the two and encouraing characters from each side to understand each other or our recent dealings with tragedy tolerance. it's interesting.

    yes, there are some thing in the bible that can be scientifically proven right. there are also things that have proved scietifically wrong.

  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, as long as you love them, that's what counts.
  20. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    how far from the innocence tree this thread has fallen.
    *puts the police line tape around this whole thread*

    who would a thought toughpigs forum would be the less controversial?

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