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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Yorick, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. Yorick

    Yorick Active Member

    Yes, at least two of the three songs by the Knack on "Chipmunk Punk" are like that...I won't mention anything specific, but they remove certain lines that are unfit for kids, but leave others. But on a side note, the Chipmunks take on "My Sharona" has heavier guitars than the Knack original! Wow!
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The only thing I have to say about The Chipmunks without bumping the old Chipmunks thread is this...

    I'm really, really aggrivated with Ross Bagdasarian, Jr. and Janice Karman right now, because it seems like ever since they won the rights back from Universal a few years ago, they seem to just go out looking for other people to sue, and for often times rather ridiculous reasons.

    TWICE in the last year, they sued 20th Century Fox: once was because apparently Janice didn't receive a percentage off the movie despite penning a draft of the screenplay, the other time was because Fox announced there's going to be a third movie. That's right, Fox made the announcement, and got sued for it, because apparently, they didn't have "permission" to make the announcement (though, we all knew a third one was in the works anyway). I've actually lost count of how many lawsuits they've filed against people in the last couple of years, but it kind of paints a rather scary picture of the two; I usually have a great deal of respect for them, because that was a gutsy move on their part to take on a big corporation like Universal to get the franchise back after they'd been lied to (*coughcough* take a hint Brian, Cheryl, Lisa, etc, fight Disney *coughcough*), and that's about the only lawsuit they've filed that made sense, but at this rate, it's like the name Bagdasarian is going to strike fear into the hearts of many, because just ONE wrong move, and they'll be seeing you in court.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/07/us-chipmunks-idUSTRE7060FS20110107

    This article about their most recent lawsuit has a line saying "Ross Bagdasarian, Jr. has not been afraid of suing his Hollywood partners in the past," is like the gross understatement of the year. If I worked for, or was even associated with Bagdasarian Productions at this point, I would very much be scared, because who's to say they wouldn't find something to sue me for?
  3. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I know America is kind of "sue-happy" right now, but I can understand their reasons in the cases you mentioned. It happens far too often that a writer pens a draft for a film and then gets cheated out of the credit. And suing (or threatening to) is often the only way to ensure you get your due credit. Writers have to fight hard for justice in Hollywood. ;)
  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That may... but you'd think with the money they make off the franchise in general that it wouldn't be a "total loss", y'know?

    But I mean, I can see where your coming, and it might make sense, but take the other Fox lawsuit... 20th Century Fox is the company that's been financing these movies ever since they started with the first one back in 2007, they're also distributing and releasing the movies, and whatnot, and for them to get sued simply for saying there's going to be a third movie? Because they didn't have permission? Why did they need permission to announce a new movie of theirs is in the works? Was it supposed to be like some kind of huge surprise or something? I mean, with that logic, a mother could very well sue a family member for telling others she's going to have a baby.
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Technically yes, and it's more than most of us will ever hope to see, lol. But I guess at the same time, I think the idea is that you have to assert yourself otherwise the big companies will walk all over you.

    I'd have to know more of the details. There may have been some dispute between the two parties regarding the third film that hadn't been resolved before the announcement.

    But I completely agree with you that the "culture of suing" can get pretty bizarre at times. I remember Leonard Nimoy talking about how he initially refused to do the first Star Trek film because he was currently in a lawsuit with Paramount. He was then assured that it was not at all unusual for actors to work with a film company while at the same time suing them (!). But he said he just didn't feel right doing that. So Paramount agreed to work out the lawsuit, because they knew they needed him in the film. It's all about power plays and negotiations.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I dunno about you, but I truly think they should sue for having the second movie deal with that loser nephew of Dave. And all those Meerkat Manor commercials. Seriously, I liked most of that movie, actually... but just... seems like some stuff was written in last minute because Jason Lee didn't even want the paycheck.


    And I think Jim Davis should sue too... for defamation of Jon Arbuckle in those terrible Garfield movies.

    Other than that, if a third movie doesn't happen, no skin off anyone's noses there... but considering I bought some movie looking Alvin and the Chipmunks fruit snacks (why oh why didn't they have these in the early 90's where they made a fruit snack out of everything?), it seems like there's not really any hard feelings between the two.

    Though, really... much like the TY Garfield bean bags... I just want them to make merchandise that looks like NOT the movie. I bought a swell 90's looking Alvin Christmas Ornament on clearance (unfortunately, I didn't have the money to get the other 2).
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Could that guy even act? Seriously, I never saw the movie itself, but I saw the trailers and such, and the way he finds them in the toilet and says "You gotta go to school"... like. I'm sure Jason Lee didn't want much to do with it (neither did Cameron Richardson for that matter, hence Claire's absence in the Squeakquel), but heck, Jason Lee was a poor choice for Dave anyway.
    I've found that the merchandising for The Chipmunks has been iffy from the get-go. Remember when the 80s cartoon was so successful, and they had a line of figurines? The figurines didn't look quite so hot, but then they came out with plushies of The Chipmunks, and vinyl dolls of The Chipettes... they were butt-ugly horrible! The TY beanie babies are pretty good, but like you said, let us have something that doesn't look like the movie versions of the characters. The best-looking merchandise I've seen in addition to some Christmas stuff, were set of plushies (made by Gund I believe) that resembled the 60s Chipmunks, and they looked fantastic, I kind of wish I had them.

    On that same token, when it comes to merchandising too, The Chipettes really get the short end of the stick, they weren't licensed nearly as much as The Chipmunks were, and even if they were, they were always clumped together, rather than individually, or it was JUST Brittany (like the Happy Meal toys from the early 90s).
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually, I really loved those little PVC figurines. The thing is, they were very early in the series, so they looked like that version of the characters. I never really saw much of the 90's, cleaned up versions of the characters in merchandising... for a while it was just 1960's Alvin Show looking stuff (like the Gund Bean Bags).

    There was a couple of large singing Alvin "toys" more like Christmas decorations that looked like the then current 90's versions.

    But yeah, I loved those little toys. But they came out when I was REAAAALY little, and I have a Simon with the guitar stem kinda chewed up. I still hate the fact I was one of those, but luckily most of my other stuff was in pretty good condition.
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I've seen three first hand... one is just Alvin, in a Santa hat, and a hula hoop, which is animated, and sings "The Chipmunk Song"; another has Alvin popping out of a snowman's hat, with Simon and Theodore popping out of snowpockets, also singing the same tune; there's also like the three of them singing on a sled. All looking like the 90s versions.

    Oh, and I almost forgot... there were some rare knickerbocker-like plushies sometime during the early 90s that were exclusive to Target stores, I believe. I've only seen Jeanette and Eleanor on eBay a couple of years ago when a friend of mine pointed them out. They weren't too bad looking, much like those 80s SST knickerbockers which I happily display from since I was a baby, but they had on unusual outfits.
  10. Yorick

    Yorick Active Member

    I must say that the studio (or whoever) forcing Ross and Janice to refrain from voicing the Chipmunks was wrong. I know why they did it - to get more "$tars" involved and therefore get more people to see it, supposedly. And I realize Ross and Janice chose to sign the contract and have the movie made. But they also wouldn't let Ross be Dave in the films, even though he seemed youthful enough in the 2005 film "Alvin and the Mini Munks". So, the companies have done them wrong, and they're returned the favor, perhaps?:D
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind though that the Minimunks movie was made quite a few years before these movies... Ross isn't quite looking so youthful these days either; matter of fact, in the most recent pictures I've seen of him, he's completely gray now... BUT, you know, that doesn't mean that he couldn't have coloring, or wear a wig and such to play Dave... especially since his father's passing, he IS Dave. Much like how 60s Dave (from The Alvin Show) looked like Ross Sr, 80s/90s Dave bears resemblance to Ross Jr.

    But, you know what's odd? Even if Ross and Janice still did the voices, it wouldn't sound exactly the same, because they actually haven't been recently... in some of the more recent songs and such, Alvin's sounding a lot more like Simon, and Theodore is sounding a lot more like Alvin... and I don't even know what was up with Brittany's voice in the Wolfman movie. I know they actually still do the voices in the old-fashioned way of recording them at half-speed, on analog tape, then speeding it up (people like to say otherwise, but Ross and Janice have both confirmed this in recent interviews), but maybe they're not being sped up to a certain speed like they usually do, I don't know.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, I can't say he's the greatest actor in the world... :) I saw a clip of that Minimunks thing.

    I still think Bob Saget would have been a perfect Dave... even that guy who playes Ted Moseby on How I Met Your Mother (who apparently on the show grows up to BE Bob Saget) could have worked. I just don't thinK Jason lee was that good a choice.

    Yeah, in that new Christmas song on UndeniAble? I couldn't tell if it was Alvin or Simon myself.
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Funny you should say that Drtooth; Ross said in an interview once that he and Janice auditioned several people to voice Dave and The Chipmunks when the franchise was being ressurrected in the late 70s, until finally, Janice told him to do it, since he sounded very much like his father. He had reservations, "Because I was NO actor by any stretch of the imagination... and not sure that I am today, either...", but he felt he could pull it off, because in younger years, he used to tease his little brother by yelling at him from another room like their father, making him think he was in trouble.

    And on the subject of voices, and Minimunks... I don't think either Ross or Janice did the voices for that either... somehow, Simon sounds OLDER than he usually does, Alvin sounded like someone trying to do a little kid voice, and Jeanette sounded like Dexter. And what was with Eleanor being a newborn, when they're all supposed to be the same age?
  14. Yorick

    Yorick Active Member

    Oh, absolutely! Matter of fact, (though I had seen Ross Sr) I had never seen Ross Jr before, so when I saw the clip from the 2005 film Mini Munks of Alvin saying, "Dave!" and Ross replying, "Hi guys!" it was magical - as silly as that might sound - because I knew that voice (since I was a baby, I'd guess) as the caring father of the Chipmunks, and now I saw him for real, still being Dave, and speaking with the same kind voice. So then I thought, "If only this whole film was on youtube" and eventually it was.

    I thought Jason Lee did an okay job as Dave in the first movie he did in 2007, but he couldn't yell "AAAALLLLVIIIIIN!" as good as Ross Sr and Jr, so that was too bad. And of course the 2007 film had many other problems, but I never saw the one after that.

    Janice played Lalu in Mini Munks, and the character Claire in the 2007 movie resembled her. I wonder if that was done on purpose?

    Yes, that's strange how they sound different than they used to!

    Good question! And someone on IMDB added that Theodore is the same age, but Lalu never carries him around.
  15. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I know, listening to interviews with him, and such, it's almost like listening to Dave being interviewed, lol.
    Well, I've noticed that on the cartoon, Dave seems to almost always go for blondes... like Miss Stone, Alvin's teacher, or Marcia, the single mom he was GOING to marry, but her kids and The Chipmunks couldn't get along, etc. I think there might be some hidden messages thrown in there, like perhaps that Dave's type is the Janice type, lol.
    Here's what I know about their ages...

    They are all eight, but there's obvious minutes difference between them; there's five minutes between them, with the exception between Brittany and Jeanette, apparently, there's ten minutes between them, which makes Brittany the oldest of all of them. So, the apparent age order is this: Brittany, Alvin, Simon, Jeanette, Theodore, Eleanor.
  16. Yorick

    Yorick Active Member

    Ha! Interesting! I didn't notice that, becase even though I love the cartoons, and would love to own them all on DVD (but I know music rights are not helping such a release) I didn't recall those women in Dave's - just Miss Miller.:D

    Also interesting! Good detective work!:search: I never knew the Chipmunks and the Chipettes were all born in the same half hour!
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Jason Lee's a talented guy who ALWAYS winds up in questionable projects. He was in a movie with Tom Green... I don't think I even need to ellaborate on that. However, My Name is Earl was his best role, if not Syndrome from The Incredibles. I'm still mundo ticked that Earl got canceled all too soon due to NBC's politicking with the totally unfunny Parks and Rec The Office clone. He wasn't bad in Chipmunks (certainly better than Brecken Mayer in Garfield and whoever the stupid that was in Yogi Bear), but a bit miscast, and it seemed like a paycheck. A paycheck that wasn't worth it, because he was in the hospital for most of the second one.

    Now, I really thought the first one was a pleasant surprise... the second one could have been better... it had some nice concepts, like them going to school and the Chipettes being fans of the group that were puppets in the hands of someone who wanted revenge... and I did like Uncle Ian in both films. But Dave's loser nephew just... ugh... no! Cliches that need not have been there.
  18. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    My feeling is that Jason Lee's Dave seemed to channel the original Ross Sr. Dave, like from The Alvin Show in a few ways: to me 50s/60s Dave seemed to fly off the handle very easily if the boys (especially Alvin) wouldn't behave and such... 80s/90s Dave seemed a bit more mellow, but still could have buttons pushed if push came to shove. Getting back to the "Dave's Getting Married" episode, there was a scene where he, Marcia, and their kids were going camping as a means to learn how to be compatible with one another: the whole drive to the mountains, all the kids are whining and complaining about each other, so Dave stops the car, gets all of them out, and basically drills them about having a good time, wishing the fun would never end, and there would be no moaning, sulking, whining, etc. Look at all the comments on YouTube, and everybody's like "OMG! Dave showz sum backbone for once!" I have no issue imagining 50s/60s Dave doing that, but that did seem odd for 80s/90s Dave.

    Here's something else I've noticed too, that I'm wondering is a little conscience: Brittany always gets a lot of attention in everything, but it seems like in the movies, Eleanor gets a bit more of a juicy role, while Jeanette sort of "takes up space" more-or-less... I wonder if that's because during the cartoon, it was the other way around. Most of the antics involved Alvin and Brittany's rivalry with each other, but Jeanette had some episodes that involved her, or she was featured heavily in, meanwhile, Eleanor really only had one episode for herself, and was basically outshined on the cartoon.
  19. Yorick

    Yorick Active Member

    That should have said "Dave's life -"
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I can't help but envision that there would be YET ANOTHER Bagdasarian Productions lawsuit filed, this time over the new movie Hop, mainly because of how eerily similar it is on so many different levels to the recent movies (right down "From the director of Alvin and The Chipmunks" in the trailer)... but then again, that would be about as successful as them suing the creators of The Raccoons over Bert's similar attire to Alvin, or suing the creators of TMNT for the fact that Irma doesn't look like Jeanette by accident, or the similarity in characters from Fly Me to the Moon.


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