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The future of MR photo puppets.

Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by Kevin Knight, Apr 25, 2008.

  1. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    Just wondering what everyone's views were on the economical and realistic future of the product line. Based on the MR Star Wars FX lightsaber line I'm really hesitant to get any hopes up for the future of our line after Fozzie, or at the most after Piggy. Without any new entertainment (movie, TV, albums) to reinvigorate the Muppet franchise (Don't feel that the release of the Muppet DVD Seasons counts as much as say, the theater releases of the Star Wars prequels.) It would be truly sad and unfortunate, I agree, as I can hear all of you in a untied or rather united voice. LOL, let's hear it for freudian misspelling. I hope I'm wrong. But I'd rather be proven right and surprised, than let down doue to profitablity or marketing. I would even fully understand a divertion to 4 or 5 Sesame Street characters as has been mentioned. Ernie , Bert , Grover , Oscar or Cookie, and most likely Elmo. OK Maybe not! LOL This could have been over in the Ask Travis thread but once again i didn't want to divert from infowe're all waiting for on...... DA BEAR!

  2. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    I think they are at the valueation stage, waiting to see how the sales are going.I say this because previously, when a character was getting released, Terry had already done a couple of prototypes in advance.Now at this stage, Terry should of done another, but there are no further prototypes after fozzie, indicating what I believe.Which means should sales be good, that there will be a long delay before another character comes out.
  3. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    good call. Good points.
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The Sesame Workshop license is notoriously expensive. I know that, in part, accounts for the difficulty in getting Palisades quality Sesame figures on the market. Sesame photo puppets are unlikely - especially considering that MR wouldn't want product competing with the current Muppet Show line. If Grover and the gang were ever to happen over there the Muppet line would need to have ended and on a good enough note to inspire confidence in Sesame puppets. :super:

    I really don't know how they sold so many Kermits to tell you the truth. It's a high-priced/high end item that is not easy to move. I hope we can get Miss Piggy after Fozzie and Rowlf (in place of Rizzo) after that. Unless these have a sudden surge in popularity I just don't see a Floyd or Sam happening and don't think they should "pepper" in these fan faves between more popular Muppets like the beloved dog.

    So, I just don't know. My guess is that Piggy will come after Fozzie and (depending on sales) possibly end the line or make way for one more spot. After that MR might diversify the Muppet line into figurines (hopefully more inspired than the direct translation of licensing stock art as was done with the Mayhem). I can see a line of Sigma-type products of bookends etc coming from them. That is totally my speculation, but it makes sense.

    I hope to get Scooter, Dr. Teeth and the gang as photo puppets, but I don't know how feasible that is. Than again, I never thought this product could ever happen in the first place. ;)
  5. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I am going to have to ask Terry if he has started any prototype yet. I haven't emailed him in awhile anyways. I am worried about this line myself, it's getting to quiet unless we see something at Con in July. It's even got really quiet on MR forum as well.
  6. Ignohippo

    Ignohippo Well-Known Member

    I would hope we'll get Fozzie, but I can't see it going past that. At this point, I'm looking at Piggy as a bonus.

    When you figure that they were originally going to put out four per year and are now struggling to get two out per year (and none of the first three have sold out yet), I would say they aren't selling as they thought they would.

    And honestly, how could they? MR has done nothing to sell these things. Heck, their website shows the worst possible photos. As fans I think we've done a great job of promoting their products but they've done nothing to advance their sales. They built up great momentum with Gonzo and have absolutely killed it by not promoting him, communicating with their customers, and the lack of info about Fozzie.

    I'm sure the powers that be are understaffed and overworked (too much to communicate with their customers or update their website with decent pictures that may actually sell their products) but they need to realize that without their customers they won't have jobs to worry about.

    I have no doubts this Muppet line could've and should've been incredibly successful. MR only has themselves to blame if these products aren't selling well. Unfortunately we, as fans, are the ones that will suffer if this line ends prematurely.
  7. muppetguy

    muppetguy Well-Known Member

    Keep Hope

    I can totally hear and understand your frustrations. I'm in the same boat as al of you. I would love information on Fozzie and how he's coming along. I would love to hear that Terry is in the works on his 2ND Piggy poser....everything is all up to specualtion at this point. I wouldn't shoot the company down. All I am going to do is think positive. I think Gonzo's complicatiuons changed alot on how many get produced in a year...causing a bit of a backup. I am going to stay hopeful and pray that Fozzie's pre-order will be up soon and Piggy will be shortly after. They have to have the main four and Piggy is needed. No matter how many people down her sales, there hasn't been a Piggy Collectible on this scale and I do believe that people will want to buy her because she looks like the real deal, not a 4.99 plush toy. Stay positive guys, try to anyways. :p
  8. Ignohippo

    Ignohippo Well-Known Member

    I hope to be optimistic. I am just really, really disappointed with MR because of what has occurred since Gonzo has been released.

    One thought though, what if MR has hired someone else besides Terry to do the Piggy poser? Kermeee here on the boards created a fantastic pig puppet. Hopefully he has been contacted by MR to create the Piggy poser prototype.
  9. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I am not sure of anything. I am going to do a little investigating next week. I am with you guys, I don't like being left hanging not knowing what is going on we where where told that we are going to see the Fozzie prototype over a month ago. :o
  10. Reevz1977

    Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Let's not panic folks. Travis did say that he expected the first Fozzie to be pretty bad and considering our rants about Gonzo, maybe he wants to wait and show us something closer to the final version. I do admit that promotion of these replicas has been poor to say the least. How anyone ever expected to sell replicas of beloved characters from yesteryear without promotion is beyond me. I only stumbled onto them by pure accident and I'm a huuuuuge Muppet fan. I stumbled across the line when I googled Kermit in the images section and saw him in coverage from a toyfair. I actually feel that I have personally done more to promote these - anyone who stands close to me for longer than a second has them shown to them on my phone, and incidently, some have consequently bought one on the back of that. Let's try and put our confidence in MR. I genuinely feel that the Muppets are on the cusp of a huge return to the limelight. The new movie will ignite the flame, they have a huge celebrity following and are frequently referenced in modern shows such as Family Guy and the Office. Sales for high end replicas will no doubt sky rocket off the back of that. MR will probably need to show a little blind faith but I for one think that eventually this line could be and should be huge! Besides, no-one has told us how the line is actually doing, we are only speculating about the sales.
  11. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    I agree and disagree with some points. As we know MR is going through a very big transistional year with the loss of the Lucasfilms account, and the new factory for what we hope will be at least Fozzie and Piggy. I wouldn't even say stay optomistic about the line after that. Because if it does not happen, you all have been very big supporters of the project and HUGE muppet fans. i'd hate to have to read the posts in a years time of "I just wished thay had gotten to Scooter" and the next "I just wanted a good Rowlf, ya know he was like the first." The Muppet franchise being on the cuff of a resurgence is not enough this late in the game. If they had new films coming out a year ago ago when Kermit was out and animal was in planning they would have had better chances. But that's hypothetical. By doing exactly what The Harry Potter franchise has done. A pamphlet of exclusive Harry Potter merchandise from Noble Collection. It's also like we've noticed these are high end collectibles. The economy sucks here in the US where the most marketing has been (I use the term loosely). Unfortunately it might have been wiser to have kept the edition size down. But that unfortunately might have raised the price. Catch 22. My view on MR is unfortunately gone down with the seemingly new venture of various collectibles. They're work on the Star Wars line was incredible, unless it was mandated by Lucasfilms to those standards. Getting exclusive and incredible prop replicas was what I feel they excelled at. But I feel due to the economy, lack of new muppet awareness, exposure, and these sort of replicas belonging to a niche market would be to blame for on MR's side, the correct business decision of 5 and out.

  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I so agree with that. I just hope that these don't only make money on the secondary market as with Palisades. MR should be floating in green too for these masterpieces. :)
  13. Stulz

    Stulz Well-Known Member

    MR Muppets

    I'd just like to add that although I love the MR line, the tweaks needed to make them perfect for the price we're paying doesn't sit well with me.

    Also with so many coming in out in such a short period of time, that unless you have a nice litle stash of disposable income at the ready, these lost there specialness.

    So I'm all for these selling well enough to continue the line, but also being released in a more spacious manor that allows for each character to be to refined so that each and every one is:

    A: Worth the wait
    B: Worth the price
    C: Looks exact with no tweaks needed

    If the were to be released one a year with them actually being worked on for that full duration and QA taking that extra time to fix any inconsistencies this could truly be the great line it deserves to be.
  14. ButchCat

    ButchCat Well-Known Member

    Thanks for writing me off Ignohippo, I'll remember that.

    From what Travis tells me the line will continue but they are not ready to go on with Miss Piggy yet and sadly I don't know when that will be. It will not be before the next two months So don't panic yet everyone.

    Terry Angus
  15. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    I'm confused as to each statements effect on why there would or would not be a forseeable future? Remember this conversation was based on it's future, and by future, it's worth to the company profitwise and also fan base who's actually going to continue paying these prices for less popular characters (That for the most part are all larger like fozzie and the price would be there for the majority of 6-?) The farther from the main 5 that are produced I could only hypothesize that numbers would be DRASTICALLY low. Now; based on price, fanbase, and ability to market.

    Thanks Terry for popping on, (but not my PM through myspace. :)) I can fully understand MR holding out. What happens if this factory doesn't work out either. Then we have Animal and Gonzo all over again. Piggy being ready for pre production, paying Terry for his services, and having to look for another factory which = another investment of time and $ for MR. Causing a chain reaction with marketing dept etc. Thoughts?

  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    There is no Terry but Terry!

    I enjoy all the puppet work seen around Muppet Central, but Terry's the man...er puppet man. I really am stoked to see what he does with the pig. :)

    I know Gonzo's netting wasn't ideal, but that's one fine weirdo that greets me every morning.

    Not the best photo of any of us, but MC's Kev, Muley, Gonzo and I had this picture taken recently. Candid shot.

    There's no doubt in my mind that Terry's eventual Miss Piggy will be the ultimate Miss Piggy by which all others are compared. :mad:
  17. muppetguy

    muppetguy Well-Known Member

    Here Here!

    You said it Frogboy! Terry's Piggy will be THE ULTIMATE Piggy collectible that I know I've been waiting for for so long.

    Terry, Thanks for stoppin' by, it helps us fans here...ALOT!:mad:
  18. Telly

    Telly Well-Known Member

    I'm really looking forward to Piggy! Although Rizzo's my favorite, I'd give him up for Rowlf and Scooter. I really hope the line does continue after Piggy. I haven't gotten Animal yet, but only cuz he's not one of my favorites. After the line has ended is when I'll probably pick him up. :halo:
  19. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    Is anyone else concerned that there hasn't even been an e-mail newsletter to Collector's Society Members in over a month? I'm beginning to think there are more problems at MR than just the Muppet line.

  20. MWoO

    MWoO Well-Known Member

    To me the only thing keeping sales down is that both animal and gonzo need a lot of work to get to look right. I really don't see why Animal's hair has to stick up like that out of the box and be so impossible to get down. Gonzo's eye focus shouldn't be so far off either to the point where people have to redo it. Just basic stuff like this should be addressed. That coupled with better pictures on the website should help sales. I mean really...those pictures are terrible.

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