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Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Apr 22, 2013.
and I respect that
Actually, here is one of the places you'll find the least hate for things.
We're all die-hard Muppet fans! But that doesn't mean we have to like every Muppet production ever made. I have a lot of my own complaints.
Like I said in an above post..I'm really not the guy to ask if this was a good appearance or not. I'm a little out of the age that DC is reaching for, but those tween-sitcoms have always annoyed me for some reason, but I know that the kids in my school are big GLC fans, I think I'll wait until they give their thoughts on the episode.
From a personal Muppet fan perspective: I didn't like the appearance all that much. Sure, the song is catchy, but everything else, just doesn't fit. (When will Piggy ever ask if they prefer 'Frog or Pig?'. It's out of character for her to ask something that's against her beloved Kermie.)
From a GLC perspective: It was a good episode, it added some great comedy, and a nice new song to go along with it. The Muppets definetley added to the episode a lot.
How about we just drop the subject, and continue to review the show like we were doing before?
I personally think Disney is doing a great job handling the Muppets. You have to admit, they did get MWoOZ out almost a year after buying them. (Even though it wasn't the Muppets' best production in my opinion, they still got it out there) Yes, it took a little while, but then we got Letters to Santa, and now they are back in the spotlight once again. People can say whatever they want about Disney, but I think they are doing the Muppets good.
I liked this episode, it was very fun. Living in a family with small brothers, we tend to watch shows like these a lot. Good Luck Charlie is my favorite sitcom on Disney right now, and I think this was the perfect show for the Muppets to appear on. The length of their appearance could have been a tad longer, but then remember, this episode wasn't about them. The ending was funny, although I think Piggy was a little too aggressive. But, hey, she's always been that way.
I hope more appearances like these occur in the future, if not a show just for The Muppets themselves.
MWOZ was in production well before the buyout. If anything, Disney's buy out rushed it or something to get it out to show what they planned to do with the characters.
Ohh... I never knew that. Ok, well, maybe the first couple of years they didn't do much, but they still are doing a good job with them now at least.
as a parent with kids ranging from 13 to 2 it can be very hard to find something on tv that everyone will sit down and watch together as a family. My only real problem with GLC is that they make the dad to kind of be a dumb loser with no say of what goes on in his own home. The mom walks all over him, and as a dad and husband I hate that. if you compared GLC to something like "home Improvement" or Boy Meets World" or any of the 90's family sitcoms, the role of dad has lost it's value.
All of that is beside the point, this should not really be about the show, or Disney Channel it should be about the Muppets.
I haven't seen the ep yet will have to find it on youtube or when it comes on in the uk
MWoZ particularly sticks in my craw because I remember that glorious period post VMX (it was a ratings smash, lest we forget) when Henson was hungering for another Telefilm project. They had been flooded with better and stronger concepts, and were seriously considering any of them. Then, somehow they pulled Wizard of Oz out of something, and once it went into production, Disney bought it. Clearly it was intended to air on Fox if it didn't. Why else do you think the plot centers on an ersatz American Idol? Somehow, that tanked, due to the stupid night they decided to put it on (VMX had the luck of being broadcast the day after Thanksgiving, just when everyone was coming home shopping), and somehow, this big project Disney had probably no involvement in that they took upon themselves to be the project to launch the franchise on flopped, and every plan they had was quietly shoved into a closet... and guess what for? Said sitcoms that are getting hate.
Things have gotten much better, though.
Part of the problem lies in the fact that everyone wants to make their own Homer Simpson. Not to mention the fact that you give any negative attributes to anything that isn't a guy, you'll get a flurry of letters from overly offended groups. But it's more likely everyone just wants to rip Homer off.
The dad in GLC isn't nearly as bad as some shows. The dad and mom in dg with a blog are absolute lunatics that you want off the screen as fast as possible...then again, you kinda want the show off the screen as fast as possible. As much as I try to defend Disney, I cannot defend Dog with a Blog. That show is just an all time low with no redeeming qualities. And I thought Jessie was bad....but I digress...
Dog with a Blog, just the show getting greenlit, is proof Hollywood doesn't know what the heck computers are or what the internet is.
Still, the Dopey Dad is a trope. You rarely do see stupid mothers (though Timmy's Mom is only that much smarter than Timmy's Dad in FOP, and Peggy Hill is pretty oblivious and much goofier than Hank), but that's because more people will relate to a goofy dad than a strict one. Usually when there's a strict dad, he's either a complete jerk or abusive. Red Foreman is the funnier version of that (considering the same actor's character in Dead Poets Society...made it very hard to watch either after that), but that's in the minority.
I loved the episode!
The "Duncan's Dream House" episode of GLC is scheduled to air again this Saturday, May 18, at 6 p.m. Central on Disney Channel East (9 p.m. on D.C. West) for those who might have missed it or might want to see an encore presentation....
That sounds horrible and so not in her nature! As if I didn't need enough reasons to hate the modern Piggy.
To borrow a quote from one of the ToughPigs forum threads about the Muppets' appearance on The Bachelorette, "It was going so well 'til they used Piggy in the same old angry-arse way! Can we please have some subtletly in her writing please? PLEASE?"
Outside of the 2011 movie, her character truly has been flanderized, stripped of her original complexities and has nothing better to do than act b****y, hit and insult people and act like a hypocritical control freak towards Kermit 24/7 and never get ANY comeuppance for her actions.
I hate to say this (and I know I'll get assaulted for this), but it seems that if Eric Jacobson, Jim Lewis and Kirk Thatcher keep failing to get her character right, it might just be time to admit that the pig no longer has any redeeming values whatsoever and retire her.
Well, I just watched the clip of that highly uncomfortable scene on YouTube and I feel even more sick just knowing that the pig would stoop so low as to threaten and try to assault a little kid--something that she NEVER would've done in the Muppet Show days!
Why did Eric not stop them from doing that? If Frank was still doing the pig, he wouldn't have allowed them to destroy Piggy's character in such a god-awful manner! She really has crossed the line and should be ashamed of herself!
Not only that--her actions there further cement the fact that she really does hate all the other Muppets now. In the old days, even though Piggy was often annoyed by other Muppets' behaviors, she DID care about them in her own way and think of them as her friends. Now, she only seems to put up with them solely for Kermit's sake and not because she cares about them deep down. Heck, I don't even think she even loves her precious Kermie anymore.
Man, unless the Flanderized Piggy that we've been seeing in most of her recent appearances outside the 2011 movie is truly a fake and an imposter (and I'm not talking about the Miss Poogy variety) and not the "real" Piggy, I hate the pig these days! The Muppet writers need to learn how to write her properly immediately or retire the character! The frog is too good for her anyway and she re-fire her or at least threaten to fire her again if she doesn't clean up her act right away (I REALLY hope that this whole situation will give the frog a moment to seriously consider firing her again, breaking up with her for real or at least give her a REALLY good reprimanding--she needs to be put back her in place, recieve more negative karma and get punished for her bad behavior again, like she often did recieve in the Muppet Show days)!
It's times like this that also make me glad that they asked Segel and Stoller to write the last movie and not Jim Lewis and Kirk Thatcher or any of the other writers that obviously overlook the complexities that a character like Piggy once had.
Just writing all this makes me and sad at the same time. I'm even feeling misty-eyed and sick to my stomach just typing all this!
Now I feel like I'm really about to start crying. As once said, "I need a hanky".
But was it the Muppet writers or the GLC writers who write the parts for the muppets? :/
That's what I'd like to know too.
Regardless, to borrow a quote from ToughPigs: "Latter-day Muppet writers have had a hard time pinning her down, because it’s so tempting to just make her go around yelling and hitting people."
But still, Eric and the others should've spoken out and tried to prevent the continuing destruction of the pig's personality.
The GLC writers.
Hrm....maybe that's why Piggy was so vicious :s
I should've known.
Either way, it would've been nice if Eric and the other Muppeteers had tried to prevent them from mis-writing Piggy's characters. Unless they couldn't, for some reason.
Oh, I just remembered that! I hated that bit too! All the more reason to despise that mean-spirited pig who has since lost all of her redeeming values! It's bad enough that I'm already in a bad mood right now as it is!
If she would still be written like she was in the old days or like she was in the 2011 film, things would be MUCH better off!
As Danny Kaye once said in his TMS episode, "I need a little cheering up."
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