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When did fans get tired of Pepe?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by minor muppetz, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. robodog

    robodog Well-Known Member

    Truthfully I haven't had much exposure to Pepe myself. There was a long stretch there when I didn't pay much attention to the Muppets. The only post Jim Henson stuff I've seen was MCC, MTI, The Muppets Christmas movie that aired in prime time a few years back and a few episodes of Muppets Tonight. I have a bit of catching up to do it seems. From what I've seen of Pepe I like him but he'll never be on the level of characters like Kermit, Rowlf or Gonzo to me.
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  2. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but Foo Foo's always with Miss Piggy who played Witch of the West. Though, Ashanti as Dorothy is part of what made it possibly the worst Muppet movie.
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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Heh! You got that right.

    I just couldn't see Rowlf as Toto. Not by a long shot. Of all the complaints everyone has about that film, that's the one I just can't agree with at all. I mean, it sorta, kinda worked with Muppet Babies (haven't seen it in a while, though), but Rowlf's an old soul that likes to make cheerful wisecracks. If they needed Toto to be a dog, they'd need something more yappy and prone to get into trouble. And I just can't see Rowlf as a pet at all. He's his own dog. He takes himself for a walk.

    Pepe sort of works in that role, and he pretty much was one of the few highlights that thing had to offer. I dunno... I could discuss Pepe's role, but then again, but then this would turn into the "what went wrong with MOz" thread. And the answer is, so... so much.
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  4. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I like Muppet's Wizard of Oz, it's just not the best one. I agree, but I can't see Pepe as a pet either. Maybe they could have reused the dog from Bunny Picnic. He could even make a joke about his full name being. Toto Bebop Diddly Dog Bop (Sorry if I said it wrong)
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Muppey would've worked pretty good. But he's pretty obscure. And I guess they just wanted a name Muppet in that place.

    Rizzo might just have had the potential to work, but the rats were already cast as Munchkins, and to say the least, Steve would've been busy with Kermit in those scenes.
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  6. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah I like Muppy he'd have been cute. They could have even made a new muppet like they did with Clueless Morgan and Peter and many others.
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  7. DramaQueenMokey

    DramaQueenMokey Well-Known Member

    I liked seeing another Hispanic Muppet (Rosita on Sesame Street being the only other one) But, Pepe and Rizzo were paired together in Muppets From Space, as opposed to Gonzo and Rizzo I wasn't too happy about that. They should have kept Seymour around if only to be Pepe's sidekick because Gonzo and Rizzo are the dynamic duo, not Rizzo and Pepe.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The problem with Seymour is that all he is is Pepe's sidekick. I don't know where he's fit personally in the grand scheme of things. Pepe managed to come into his own, but Seymour could very well end up being a third wheel in sequences. I am curious to see how he'd have been performed and placed within the Muppets, but even then, he was performed by Brian. He's too busy with JHC to be any of his characters anyway (which is why we need to recast Sal if we ever wanna see Johnny again), so he wouldn't have been able to perform Seymour lately anyway.

    Still, I really wonder how things would have worked out had they kept him.
  9. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    You're right Mokey, Rizzo and Gonzo have been particular friends since MCC and the movie would have been even better if they had more bonding time.
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  10. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I liked him in MFS, MT, and VMX, but 2005 afterwards, nope.
  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Him and Rizzo where really on top in MFS, but somewhere between MWOZ and letters to Santa he lost his appeal
  12. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    I've always found Pepe mildly amusing and he tends to bring out the best in Bill, however, I'd prefer to see Rowlf or Dr Teeth getting more screen time. They are Jim's characters after all :D

    I think the issue with Pepe is that he came out of a failed TV series and never had the chance to properly develop. The other characters had five seasons of the Muppet Show and then 8 movies to develop while Pepe kind of had to grab on to a niche and hope to Henson that he could withstand time.

    I think a TV show would be very kind to Pepe in that he could grow past being a womanising, annoying shrimp- oops, I mean King Prawn!
  13. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I mean in MMW, I liked Pepe. He wasn't in my face, but at least he didn't have one stupid scene that was commercialized 50 billion times.
  14. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    I hate how Pepe's been getting so much attention. When will people realize that Pepe is NOT, I repeat, NOT a original Muppet. No offense, Pepe.:rolleyes: Don't give me that look, I'm telling the truth.
  15. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Neither is Walter just saying...
  16. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    Yeah, well, we can all relate to Walter, because of the fact that we are all Muppet fans. But, Pepe came in during the Muppets Tonight-era where some of the new characters weren't that great, ( but, for some reason, I really liked Seymour.)
  17. SpookyMania

    SpookyMania Well-Known Member

    I've never cared for Pepe. He was always too obnoxious and never really seemed to fit in with the rest of the Muppet crowd, and never really seemed like he wanted to. I'm really happy the new films have been using him in such small doses. After MWoO I was getting worried.
  18. WalterFan1234

    WalterFan1234 Well-Known Member

    He's a good character, but I don't love him. Sometimes I feel it's same thing over and over with him. But he's had his funny moments

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