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Why are today's kids so spoiled?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mo, May 6, 2012.

  1. mo Well-Known Member

    watch this:

    if that's not enough try watching toddlers and tiaras or extreme kids parties without cringing
    seriously I'm not into growing up!
  2. kyunkyua Active Member

    You sure they're not acting? That happens a lot in this sort of news story.
  3. Hubert Well-Known Member

    I used to think like that. I would say "What are the kids these days coming to, they are so spoiled!" But really, that's the least of my concern anymore. There is so many other horrible things going on that it seems pointless to worry about kids being spoiled. We more need to be concerned about kids being exposed to R rated movies and stuff like that, which they basically are.

    Now Toddlers and Tiaras, that's a completely different story. I don't even think some of the kids like doing it. It's their parents, their selfish parents, dressing their children up like Barbie dolls. The children are being ruined with the lies they are receiving on this. The quote of one: "Facial beauty is the most important think in life." :attitude:
  4. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Actually... what gets me REALLY angry is that they have to cut the heck out of every movie to fit some arbitrary ratings system. They have to make R rated movies PG-13 so kids can watch them. Not to mention the fact PG is the most arbitrary of the time, and they're usually G movies with a crappy fake PG slapped on them because that's the "edgy" sweet spot. Only Pixar gets away with G rated movies, and that's because of their prestige. The only movies I've seen worthy of a PG rating were Rango and Pirates: Band of Misfits for mild cussing and cases of actual violence.
  5. Hubert Well-Known Member

    I'm not quite sure what movies you are watching that they're cutting stuff out so kids can watch them. Horrible, inappropriate R-rated movies are out constantly, to the point where there's more of them then G and PG stuff. The movie makers do not care at all whatsoever if kids can watch them. They know a million kids will see them anyway between sneaking into theaters and watching them online or on TV. I think it is seen as an accomplishment to these film makers when their movies are rated R. They feel that the R rating entices more kids to watch the movie.

    On G and PG movies, I think a lot of times adding the fake PG is to get more box office money. A lot of kids these days see G movies as ones for babies. Rango and Pirates: Band of Misfits are the only two you find worthy of a PG rating???
  6. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Kids that watch R rated movies know what's going on. The kind of kid that basically makes sexual jokes at an inappropriate age and swears like a sailor that stepped on a nail. It's not really corrupting people who aren't corrupted already. Remember, for the longest time, young boys find girls absolutely disgusting. I don't think they'd want to watch those movies for the sexual content, but rather the content of violence. And it's getting to the point where regular TV programs are starting to get a LOT more violent than the movies. Even Law and Order type shows. Everyone's always being violated by something.

    But the thing is, R rated movies aren't always soft core porn. Sometimes they're just kung fu movies that get those ratings under dubious reasoning. I have a cousin that had to sneak into Legend of the Drunken Master. I never got to see that, but I'm sure it could have gotten a PG-13 rating.

    What I'm saying is the ratings system is fixed. The MPAA is pure evil and destroys movies.

    Like, remember the movie "Bully," an independent movie that touched on the subject of what bullies do and how they affect kids... a movie that EVERY kid of a certain age should see got an NC-17 rating? And guess why. Nope... not sex. Language. Language you can get away with in a PG-13 movie if you have clout in Hollywood and play the MPAA's game. Eventually, they cut out a couple F bombs (dude... the internet is FULL of F bombs, I'm sure your kid can handle it... he probably says it all the time) and made it a Not Rated. So basically, Indie films get completely screwed over because they have no control over content and the other Mafioso crap that the MPAA does.

    Remember... these are the lobbyists that wanted SOPA.
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  7. mo Well-Known Member

    I believe that we should be focusing more on this subject then kids being spoilt....around the area I live a lotta kids normaly watch what they want and the parents do give a straw about what the kids watch...It's a good place but it could have more responsible care takers! I think I've been raised pretty dang good,and I've only seen one r-rated movie and my friend had seen it before...then I went to middle school where you hear the f word so much you don't relize it's a bad word and the kids scream at you for doing nothing...well now I relize what life is all about
    -drugs
    -alcohol
    -r movies
    -abuse
    -some other stuff I should'nt say...
    I used to be niave and now I'm...slightly less niave?...yeah that works!
    all the bunnys in my giggly field of life have been shot and now everything smells like body odeor.
  8. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Which is pretty much every kid anymore...

    I have to disagree with you a tad on this. The kids who watch R rated movies don't always know. In fact, a good majority of people figure that stuff out through R rated movies. They just watch it to be cool or to see what it's like or whatever, and then they're hooked. They learn. It is corrupting people not corrupted already. As horrid has it may sound, there is a such thing as swearing 5-year olds. And I don't mean the accidental one-time swear.

    And also, the boys find girls disgusting case isn't always relevant anymore. Many kids these days zip through that phase.
    The MPAA does in fact keep corruption out a good bit. Think what would happen if we had no ratings. A parent sits down to watch a movie with their kids having no idea if it will be a fun family movie or a swearing inappropriate movie. In fact, while you are saying they give movies PG when they should be G, I'm over here saying that some PG should really be PG-13.
  9. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Part of the problem is, and I'm dead serious about this, a lot of people out there actually feel that it's completely acceptable for kids to swear after kindergarten. I am not lying, sometimes those kids are ENCOURAGED to swear; when I was in middle school, yes, if teachers or faculty heard us swearing, we got in trouble for it (in grade 6, I got in the worst trouble ever for accidentally dropping the frog-bomb loud enough for people to hear me), but those kids willingly sweared as much as they liked when teachers weren't listening. First four weeks I was in public high school, one time in class, the teacher dismissed a student for disruptive behavior, and she actually had the gaul to stand up in front of his desk and exclaim, "You want me to take my s--- with me?!"

    I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it until people finally decide to do something about it: we live today in a constant and ongoing moral decay in today's modern, comtemporary society. We have the power to make things right again, but people don't want to because they view doing the right then as being a wimp, or a pantywaist, or "uptight"... heck, apparently even some Christians out there now feel that things like not swearing, staying virgin till marriage, or anything like that is "insane".
  10. Fragglemuppet Active Member

    In some cases that may be true, but overall I'd say the parent better know what they're watching before they show it to their kid! Not that they necessarily have to watch everything before-hand, but word from friends who'd seen it before, finding out what the movie's about, just a little bit of common sense... All good ways to figure things out for yourself.
    I'm not saying there should be no film ratings, but I do think they go way overboard sometimes. They try to shelter kids, and often wind up doing the opposite.
  11. Hubert Well-Known Member

    There are basically three parent cases with swearing (I've seen examples of all 3):
    1. The parent swears constantly around their kids and don't care whatsoever if their kids pick it up.
    2. The parent's opinion is "I understand kids, as soon as their parents aren't watching, they swear and swear. I did that and I accept that inevitable fact of life."
    3. The parent would die if they knew how their children spoke, but their children hide it from them.

    Now, I've never really seen people who see it acceptable for kids to swear at a very early age, but I'm sure they're out there.

    Amen! Amen! Amen! I've been saying that forever.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Entertainment is the key. Entertainment has done a ton of bad for the world. So why can't it do good? The thing people's lives center around these days is entertainment. What is needed is good quality entertainment, positive, appropriate entertainment. Humor. Clean humor. We don't need preaching and teaching. We need good entertainment. It is the key. And I'm wanting to get into that industry to get some good entertainment out there.

    Think about it: where did kids learn all the bad they know? 95% of the time it's entertainment. So if it can corrupt people, why can't it save them?
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  12. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Yes! Yes, yes, yes! You have hit the nail on the head!

    How many times have I said it? The public ALWAYS looks to the media for guidance anymore, and what is the entertainment industry polluted with? All the things that have contributed to the moral decay in our society, especially sex; everytime you turn on TV anymore, what do you see? Reckless, selfish, irresponsible, and immoral sexual behavior... and we wonder why we have such problems with teenaged pregnancies and b@$+@rd children, because people think it's okay to just engage in sexual activities anywhere, anytime, with anyone, under any circumstances, without any consequences... then they're faced with the consequences and don't know what to do about it because, gee, they didn't have consequences on TV or in the movies. Then, of course, like with the swearing issue, there are some people out there who encourage this kind of stuff, like someone once said about Don't Trust the B---- in Apt. 23, "Sex is a part of life, and sitcoms are about life, if sitcoms were about married couples having sex, they would be boring."
  13. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Exactly. And the only reason that this stuff is on TV is because it sells. It sells. It makes people watch a TV station, go to a movie, download a song. There are a bunchy of greedy moneymakers behind the scenes, who don't care who they're messing up. It's all about the money for them.

    Clean Humor. Clean Comedy. Clean Puns. Clean Fun. That's what the world needs.
    This quote from Jim Henson pretty much summarizes what I believe best. I've been saying this exact thing even before I knew Jim had ever said it:
    It made me smile to see you saying I've hit the nail on the head. It's nice to know someone else out there has the same mindset as I do. :)
  14. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You've seen my work obviously, you'll notice I don't rely on any kind of raunchy, vulgar, or inappropriate content that almost all TV shows use without care today to be entertaining... heck, even on occasions where I may get a little edgy, it's never off-color or in bad taste... and let me tell you something, I know I've said this before, but as someone who writes most of his own work, it is NOT hard at all to write something genuinely funny without having to throw in the bad stuff for cheap laughs.
  15. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Yes, I have seen your work. It's wonderful. Perfect example of what the world needs. And it's true: it's not hard to write something funny without bad stuff. You've done it, the Muppets have done it, some others have done it...What more proof do you need? It can be done.
  16. D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, that was a goal of mine, to try and bring that kind of entertainment back to the television landscape, like the sitcoms of the 60s, where they were genuinely funny, with likable characters, solid writing, wonderful direction, etc. Apparently, the creator of Glee said that's what he was trying to accomplish with the show, but he's failed miserably, because Glee isn't too different from other shows on TV right now, with the exception of the show-stopping and pre-orchestrated numbers.

    I even spoke with an actual television historian once, Ben Glenn II, and even he has said that he thinks the world needs decent wholesome entertainment right now (especially if it involves puppets, as it turns out, he too has a love of puppets).
  17. Hubert Well-Known Member

    Yes, the sitcoms of the 50s and 60s falls in that category. If that kind of thing filled up TV, that would really help out the world. I love those old shows, I could spend all day watching them. I've never really seen Glee, I always thought I might like it. (At least compared to the other stuff out there right now.)

    So Ben Glenn II joins the little boat we're on, that houses about 1% of the population. Welcome to the boat Ben!

    I have a feeling that something big is going to be happening in the entertainment industry soon. Just read the "What do you/did you want to do when you grow up" thread. By reading that, it makes you confident that us at MC can walk in and make some good stuff for TV. And really, I don't see a reason why not. Who better than to do it than the followers of one of the great entertainment pioneers?
  18. heralde Well-Known Member

    Well while I think swearing is largely unnecessary and uncreative, I don't find it immoral. Immoral is seeing someone being bullied and not doing anything. Things like that.

    I don't think children are ruined by watching R rated films. They're ruined if their parents don't make it clear what they should and should not imitate in real life.
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  19. meepmuppaphones Active Member

    I think the main cause of this is parenting. If you don't get rid of a habit at a young age then you'll never get rid of it. I used to swear when I was 9 but my mom said she'll throw my video games away if I utter a single swear. Since then, I wouldn't even whisper a minor swear (or type it for that matter). Some parents just go with the floe and regret it later. I also find that the people who prefer shootting games with gore swear more than the people who like Nintendo. It looks like preferences are influenced by habits. It's like dominoes. Knock one over and it grows from there.
  20. heralde Well-Known Member

    Exactly it's the kind of thing you really have to follow through with.

    I just don't like pointing at movies or games to explain kids' behavior. Children have liked playing rough and rebelling since the dawn of time.

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