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Your Thoughts: Fraggle Rock on The Hub beginning October 10, 2010

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by Phillip, Oct 7, 2010.

  1. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Yeah exactly! I can't say it isn't neat for him to have met them but at the same time, I just felt like there was something a little forced in all of that. It is much better when WE the audience have the bird's eye view of it. When the audience can see the way they are connected but the characters themselves only see some kind of tenuous connection and are not exactly sure of what it is....It adds a little realism, I think. It allows the kids to kind of figure these things out for themselves. I don't know. I wish it had been just a little different but if you ask me what I would have liked to see...I don't really know.
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I think you're right. I just think the concern is always that if a TV show doesn't deliver the big satisfaction in the end, the fans will revolt. I think that's another reason why things end up going big.
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  3. Tom Fraggle

    Tom Fraggle Active Member

    For me, the last two episodes were the best in my book for ending an already great series. As a child when I saw it in the 80s, the idea I got from it, that it was possible to actually see a Fraggle if "touched" by one and that no matter where you go, there was a chance the Fraggle hole would be there if you believed in the magic. Although we know in real life it'll never happen, but when Doc finally sees Gobo, I couldn't help but feel all excited inside that it finally happened.

    As I said in another post, it didn't have to stop with Doc discovering them, if the show had continued, there was a whole new door of possibilities for the show to continue. I hated it took 95 episodes before Doc finally got to see one, while Sprocket gets to see them, play with them, and even explore their caves. Lucky dog.

    In no way would I say the show lost any of it's magic or fraggle feel, it's just impossible in my eyes. When it ended in Change of Address, it left me wanting more Fraggle Rock more than ever, but since that was their finale, I knew the magic would have to continue in me and it's fans.
  4. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    You're right. But I think to add to this...It's entirely possible that the general public -does- feel that way. I mean, to a certain extent, we do all want a strong climax and satisfying resolution....erm....Well you know what I mean.
  5. Tom Fraggle

    Tom Fraggle Active Member

    Just say you liked it and we'll call it even. /grin :excited:
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  6. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Well I guess this is a perfect example of what Fraggle Rock was all about. Different people have different viewpoints and different tastes. Agree to disagree on this one. There's no right or wrong when it comes to an opinion, I suppose. I just know I felt exactly the same way....except you know, completely the opposite.
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  7. Tom Fraggle

    Tom Fraggle Active Member

    Yeah, had it been a sad/bad ending, I'm not sure how much I would have kept the magic alive. I myself can't stand watching sad/bad endings to anything... TV series, movies, reading books. If they have a sad/bad ending, I usually 99% of the time never watch or read them again, even though I might of loved watching/reading the series. Example: ALF, loved the series, but the sad/bad ending killed it for me and I'll never watch it again, knowing what happens in the end.

    On a side note though, I do tend to love sad/happy endings. ;)
  8. Tom Fraggle

    Tom Fraggle Active Member

    Exactly. :excited:

    Sort of like the Gobo/Red thing, they agreed to disagree and disagree to agree.

    And the only person that will believe my opinion, is me... Why? Cause it's my opinion. :sigh: But it's always fun to read other opinions and know we can agree to disagree or disagree to agree and still get along with each other.
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  9. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I have to admit I can be the same way. It's hard to get the bad taste out of your mouth sometimes. You don't want to go through all the emotions again knowing it will end badly. You need some kind of hope.

    Well, I guess that's what retcons are for, lol.
  10. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    I can see that. Most people like happy endings. Oddly enough, for me it all depends on the tone the series has to begin with. If you have some epic war going on, ala Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, etc....then death, guts and glory are the way to go!
  11. Tom Fraggle

    Tom Fraggle Active Member

    Yeah, death is expected, but it's usually the good guys dieing during the movie, while it's mostly all the time the bad guy dies in the end and good prevails, unless there is a sequel coming out later, then we have to wait for the good guy till the next one.

    Deaths, guts, and glory.... /lol You just made my day. /lol
  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    See I should clarify. Just because I may not want to revisit a painful story again doesn't mean I thought the series or the ending was bad. If anything it means the story did its job in getting an emotional response from me. :)

    That is, if it's done well. If the ending feels false or unsatisfying then I half consider it non-canon at that point. The creators have a responsibility to honor the story and not let it down.
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  13. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Beautifully put. Canon is exactly what I harp on all the time. That's what felt off for me about the Fraggle Rock ending. It began to feel a little more like a fan fiction or something tailor made for fans than it did a true Fraggle Rock episode.

    Bwahahaha, so glad I could help, Tom! I aim to please. I don't know why but I always loved stories of heroic martyrdom. Nothing like going out in a blaze of glory, sword swinging, torn cape whipping behind you and taking the enemy down with your dying breath....or dying while trying. It's every hero's swan song. Think about it! It's why stories retold in 300 or the Last Samurai are so powerful.
    Just look at Black Swan!
  14. muppetfan24/7

    muppetfan24/7 Well-Known Member

    Since I am done with the FR television series, I cannot wait for the FR movie in the future. I can't wait to see it when the movie comes closer to theaters very, very soon.
  15. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    And again...o.o I'm wary. It's been so long and the crew is going to be different. Makes me apprehensive about what they will deliver. It might be terrific or...it might be something we have to hit over the head with a shovel and quietly bury in our back yard one night at 3 in the morning.
  16. muppetfan24/7

    muppetfan24/7 Well-Known Member

    I couldn't agree more, bandit. There better be good puns, jokes, or maybe references from the series would be amazing. Thank you for posting!
  17. Hubert

    Hubert Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'm also a bit apprehensive...there's just so much to capture in FR. Because FR is basically perfect...there's so much magic and inspiration to capture...if someone is about to make a new FR movie, they have about the hardest task that ever existed in film history.
  18. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    Fraggle Rock is at its best when it is subtle and silly and natural. There was a really great natural flow about the way characters interacted and the way dialogue was delivered. Part of me thinks that with this pressure put on these guys to recapture this, they may end up shooting themselves in the foot by trying too hard....Then I'll have to shoot them in the other foot...
    Hahaha! Seriously, we'll just have to wait and see. Maybe they deserve more credit. They may know the series inside and out. I'm just partial to the original writers and creative team so....I'm just a liiiiittle biased.
  19. Tom Fraggle

    Tom Fraggle Active Member

    Agree. I'm very wary of a Fraggle movie. I would love to see one, BUT... they have a far greater chance to ruin it, then continue on what we grew to love about the Fraggles. Especially since most Hollywood movie producers want edgy, raunchy, trash in their films. I don't care for a edgy, raunchy, sick puns, and trashy Fraggle Rock. And without their original voices, it might be a lot harder to grasp, especially if they fail to keep the Fraggle five true to their original personality selves. Each puppeteer gave each Fraggle so much life and personality, it amazed me. Could someone else even be able to duplicate to their level?

    Plus, a muppet is more real to me than something like a cartoon looking computer generated character. Unless they can make the Fraggles look like really real, like what was done with CGI Davy Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean 2 & 3. But we all know they don't have a budget for that kind of CGI production.
  20. bandit

    bandit Well-Known Member

    BOO! NO! No CGI for Fraggle Rock! That's really going to make me spit fire! Blasphemy. They must be the real deal or it's off.
    None of that Smurf crap either. =.= I've got torches, pitchforks and jagged throwing stones all prepared for them should it come to that.


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