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Your Thoughts: It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Nov 29, 2002.

  1. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member

    Re: sex and violence



    If you listen to Sam in the scene where Kermit says he can't pay anyone for a year you can hear Sam say "How will I pay for my propishia" (spelling way off I know) Propishia is a hair growing pill so that explains his hair. I thought it was funny but maybe they should boost the sound on that line for later releases.
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Thanks Emmy and Luke! Yeah, it just felt like the right time to come back.

    I really liked pezbalubah's comment about how it'll always remain the theatre no matter who owns it. I almost forgot about another interpreted metaphor of the film. How symbolicly the theatre represents our love for the Muppets.

    I think in the next few days you will see some of us getting carried away in a good way...but hey, why not? We need something to be giddy about, and I'd say the last few weeks definately give us this.

    I would really be curious about the Nielsens. I'm very happy it was on the biggest channel prime time Friday, I know Thursday is a more coveted spot...but the night after Thanksgiving aint bad(Perhaps we'll see if this was a better air date decision than
    the December dates)

    But I have hope this is a step in the right direction(not just the film, but everything recently)

    And yes, I would agree...it is about the Muppet community as a whole whatever site you chose to affiliate yourself with. I know Im going to try to make an effort to be the best person I can be.

    ...sometimes it takes Kermit addressing a fan nation with various comments to slap us back into reality.
  3. murgatoad

    murgatoad New Member

    It didn't do so hot, actually, but it probably would have done far worse on a Sunday up against actual competition such as, say, an ABC/Disney Christmas movie or "The Simpsons".

    Here's what Zap2it.com has to say:

    "Thanks to "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit," NBC won Friday night with a 6.9 rating/13 share in households even though it only took the final hour of primetime. CBS was second with a 4.9/9, followed by ABC, 4.5/8 and FOX, 2.2/4

    Among adults 18 to 49, NBC also led with a 4.1 rating. ABC averaged a 2.4, CBS 1.9 and FOX 1.4.

    CBS started things off at 8 p.m. with "48 Hour Investigates" surgical procedures to lose weight (just in time for the holidays), 6.5/12. NBC was second with its movie "It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie," 6.0/11, while ABC came in third with "America's Funniest Home Videos," 5.2/10. FOX rounded out the top four with "The Brady Bunch in the White House," 2.3/5.

    At 9 p.m., "Hack" held on to CBS' lead with a 6.0/11, ahead of the Muppets on NBC, 5.4/10. ABC went the comedic route with "The Drew Carey Show," 3.3/6, and "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" 2.9/5. FOX stuck with its movie, 2.1/4.

    NBC's "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit," 9.3/18, was the night's highest-rated show and easily won the 10 p.m. hour. "20/20" gave ABC a boost to second place with a 5.3/10, enough to beat "U2's Beautiful Day," 2.3/5, on CBS.


    Ratings information is taken from fast national data. All numbers are preliminary and subject to change. "

    Now, what remains to be seen is the Muppet movie's score in the 18-49 demographic. That too is significant, although we have no info on that so far. FWIW.

    As for me, also FWIW, no, I didn't watch it. I did download the Moulin Rouge clip at NBC.com last night after we got back from shopping, and it was pretty cute. Too bad. Henson's gotta learn to stop turning off the people who might otherwise be inclined to give the Muppets a second, or even third, chance.
  4. wombat woman

    wombat woman New Member

    worth unlurking for!

    :cool: *happy-dancing wombat* :cool:

    Any Muppet project that has me falling off the couch having giggle-fits is a definite keeper. Loved the red-neck Who's, loved Whoopi as the boss, loved the snowman, but mostly I loved having the whole gang being their outrageous, wonderful selves.

    So some of the voices were off--the performers will get there, I have no doubt ("No Doubt!"). And I really wanted more musical numbers (I always want musical numbers). But in all I'm glad of the direction the Henson folks took this--zany leavened with a bit of sweetness, rather than sentimental with a bit of silliness. That's what makes the Muppets so Muppet-y. (Mind you, MCC is still my favorite of the movies, so I don't object to a bit of sentimentality. Just go easy on it.)

    I also loved the adult innuendos & quick shots of, say, Scooter cage-dancing. :eek: I don't think they were any worse than, say, some of the stuff in Disney's Beauty & the Beast

    I pos-def agree that Fozzie was much more in character this time out, as was Kermie. But IM(not-so)HO, Miss Piggy had the best parts. We got to see so many sides of her--as the (acknowledged!) resident diva among her fellow Muppets, as the struggling actress, as the fierce karate-chopping heroine, and as the sweet pig who needs her frog.

    And I really, REALLY, REALLY want a full-length version of the divine Miss P. singing "Santa Baby"!

    Ta,
    Wombat Woman

    "Why, yes, I am from one of those Muppet internet fan sites."
  5. murgatoad

    murgatoad New Member

    Re: worth unlurking for!

    For that scene alone (downloaded from NBC.com), I almost regret skipping the show. It wasn't half bad...
  6. Natalie

    Natalie New Member

    I LOVED Piggy in it! Her voice was a little off at first, and I couldn't understand some of what she said, but then it got better. She looked great too
  7. dbarrie

    dbarrie New Member

    New Muppet Christmas movie

    Hi everyone,

    My name is Don, and I live in Toronto, Canada. This is my 1st posting on the forum. I've been a Muppet fan my entire life! In fact, I've been visiting on the Muppet Central email list ever since it got started! My favourite movie is the "Muppets Take Manhattan," but I have the other ones as well, on DVD. I loved the latest Muppet Christmas movie that was on TV last night (I was able to catch it on the Buffalo NBC affiliate). I'd like to get a copy of the film, but it seems to only be available on VHS. Does anybody know why it's not available on DVD? I was going to buy it through NBC's Web site, but I'd rather hang on to my $ until it comes out on DVD. Other members may like to know the DVD details if you have any to give. Otherwise, I guess we'll all have to write some letters to the JHC and NBC!

    D.
  8. monkeymuppet

    monkeymuppet New Member

    EmmyMik // frogboy4

    A rave Scooter and a bouncer Beaker would be great. Then you could have Statler, waldorf, and Sam. Just imagine what the playset would look like. & Glowsticks for everyone!
  9. Ryan

    Ryan New Member

    Well, I personally didn't like this scene at all. I don't wanna sound like the wholesome good boy angel, but it just didn't seem right. I mean, I figurd it wouldn'ty be too bad, but seeing Scooter like that was a little disturbing. And the Sam thing....isn't a pacifier the sign of doing ecstacy? I dunno...but I did like the Beaker and Bunsen bouncers....and Howard the Pig is HILLARIOUS!!! I loved it ... too funny. :D
  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Heh, Im not surprised about people's adverse reaction to the club scene...I thought it was brilliant, and to me was a little wink and a nod besides the muppet fan site mention(being as Ive been to my share of industrial rave clubs and muppet fan sites) So seeing Sam Eagle with glow sticks and German techno club regalia Scooter was quite great. Overall, it seems like this film was a shock to a number of people's systems, and that's good. Instead of churning out some complacent sentimental sludge, JHC really went all out to appeal a wide range of people.

    Yes, some of the human acting and parodies were near unbareable, but that Moulin Rouge parody more than made up for the other sendoffs. And what do ya know, good to see Frank Oz back as Yoda. ^_^

    Finally, how surreal was it to see that foul mouthed Triumph talking with Kermit?

    Anyways, cant wait til everyone on here and newcomers voice their reactions to VMMCM!
  11. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member



    Well a pacifier is a sign of being a raver, doesn't aitomatically mean extasy. And I thought the Scooter thing was meant to be disturbing. I mean the whole point was that the muppets would have horrible lives without Kermit. Would you rather see Scooter in a movie theater giving out 3d glasses? Personally I thought it fit the time. If you don't want the muppets to change with time then go get yourself some muppet show dvd's.
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Maybe they could come as a 2-pack. Or would that look suspicious? :D

    A cage would be a definite accessory!
  13. Bean Bunny

    Bean Bunny New Member

    A Bean figure ( yes, I know that he was in the film for a few seconds but he is show all day at Disney's MGM Studio at WDW and Disney's California Adventure at the Disneyland Resport).
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I couldnt believe they brought back Bean! We almost saw more of him than Rowlf. Kermit's a given, so I would have to say right under him the star of the show was Fozzie...my goodness, how long has it been since he actually took center stage ina Muppet film?

    Sam Eagle decked out in full raver garb isnt a sign of doing 'E', its just part of the genre. I for one would absolutely love a 'Dot' club playset(anyway NBC could sell that model on ebay?) complete with Honeydew dorr checker, Bouncer Beaker, raver Sam, and cage dancing Scooter. When Pepe referenced action figures I seriously wouldnt even think anything if he had referenced Palisades, with all the injokes revealed last night.
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Hey, I want a glow stick!

    That's supposed to be bad? For a Friday night (and the busiest shopping day of the year) that kicks some serious butt. Most 18-30 year olds are out on a Friday night. It's good to see that some stayed in to watch the Muppets. The rest are old people who like to watch other old people. The ratings are even higher than I thought they would be. Also - way to kick some Brady butt too! Woohoo!

    I think NBC recouped the costs through the top-name ads, in-movie promotion, the tape sales (and likely DVD sales bext year) and they also have a special to air every year.
  16. murgatoad

    murgatoad New Member

    Re: Hey, I want a glow stick!

    Suit yourself. The ratings were far lower than I thought they would be, given the relative lack of competition and the huge publicity blitz. I thought the current popularity of nostalgia would help the film, but I guess I was wrong. And your beliefs about NBC profiting from tape sales, "in-movie promotion" (you really think "Fear Factor" was benefitted by the movie?) etc. are a bit of a stretch IMO. But again, suit yourself.
  17. AruggeRadio

    AruggeRadio Member

    I would say it was a disappointment if anything would have gotten a Friends type numbers like a 12.5 but nothing did. You also have to look at what NBC usually gets in that same timeslot form week to week, if Dateline only gets a 4.5 or a 5.0 it was a success in that timeslot. Overall I wouldn't complain about being the 3rd highest rated program of the evening and winning NBC the nights ratings.
  18. Sorry to be a little late with my review... almost a whole day since the show :eek: Anyway, that special blew me away! It was so great to see all the old Muppets back and with speaking parts! It is such a relief to see that Frank's characters have such absolutely WONDERFUL performers:

    Eric with Piggy: FANTASTIC!!! I could seriously not tell the
    voice was different for the majority of the movie.
    I am SO pleased to see Piggy in such good
    hand/vocal chords.

    John(?) with Fozzie: It's good. It sounds like Frank's stuff lately,
    but it's not quite the classic Fozzie.
    His mannerisms are excellent, though.

    Is that really Brian with Scooter? I can hear him doing the voice.
    It sounded better than the Scooter from MFS.

    I have to praise the writers too. They implimented so many great parodies and brought back stuff from the Muppets' past. The script was extraordinary. I didn't catch the writing credits, but I could swear it was a classic from Jerry Juhl.

    It's wonderful to see the Muppets back with their classic sense of humor!


    --"Scary" Larry Wolf
  19. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Re: Hey, I want a glow stick!

    It doesn't kick serious butt, but it's above average and i think as well as could have been expected - it's certainly not a major dissapointment at all. As for whether it's enough to mean that more Muppet holiday movies will be produced, i'd say that the rating doesn't make it any more or less likely - it'll probably go right down to how NBC felt the general public and media reaction was and how much they can sell the advertising for next time, and also the age specific demographics. I feel pretty good about it though, i don't think they have a problem by any means.

    10 Million sounds generous but christmas budgets are always boosted a lot on high profile projects like this. Don't expect NBC to be worried too much about the costs - as you say, they did a lot of in-movie promotion and showcased a lot of their stars so they'll have been aware and more than happy to throw away some cash in Henson's direction although i shouldn't think it'll be quite as much next time. It should make a quite a bit from the ad sales but nowhere near enough to make the Muppets pay for themselves, tape/DVD sales are just bonuses to them - this was all about the promotion and the cute warm fuzzy feelings to help people decide to stick with the peacock over the holiday season baby. :D

    It was actually quite clever of them, if anything, to have changed the Muppets airdate to a night they knew would be slower and less competitive.
  20. Me thoughts

    Welp, I fiiiiiinally got to see the movie just now (couldn't watch it at the folks', network channel reception is TERRIBLE there)...

    I enjoyed it. :) Gave me some good ol' belly-laughs, and I was smilin' a lot.

    Okay, like, first things first:

    JANICE

    OMGOMGOMG SHE'S BACK!! SHE WAS PROMINENT!! SHE WAS THE MOST FEATURED MAYHEM MEMBER IN THIS!!

    REALLY!

    SHE WAS!

    :D :D :D

    *sigh*

    So, it was GRRRRRRRREAT to see her, and to HEAR her!! FINALLY!! It only took 12 years! LOL!

    But how was her voice? Well, frankly, not that great. :rolleyes: She sounded more like a MAN than "Janice". Richard managed to make her sound more feminine and believeable, even with a deep voice. But this dude who did her for this sounded like he didn't try to "womanize" her enough.

    But ya know what?

    I was so THRILLED to hear her speak for the first time in over a decade, I was smilin' and gigglin' and on Cloud 9! :D When she said her harp line, I laughed for, like, 2 minutes!! LOL!! BOTH out of sheer JOY for her, and the humor itself. And if this guy sticks with her, maybe he'll get the voice more "Janicey" and fine-tuned. :)

    And they even had Janice sit by Sam in the theatre seats---my 2 TMS faves sittin' next to each other! :D

    One thing that really sucked though, Janice wasn't in any finale scenes---what's 'at about? They included her SO visually much in the first half of the movie, I was sure to see her at the end...but, oh well, at least she was featured as much as she was!

    I LOVE ERIC JACOBSON!! His Piggy is the BEST it can be, almost a dead ringer for Frank (almost---there were times you could tell, but he's SO great most of the time), and his Fozzie rocks, too!!

    Kermit sadly seemed to have regressed. He sounded SOOO Kermity with Craig Kilborne, but he sounded too "new Steve Kermit" in this for me. But, visual-wise and manner-wise, Steve was great---I just hope he gets back to his closer-to-Jim voice he had with Craig.

    OMG, Pepe was hiLARIOUs!! (*to Emmy and Jackie*) When he came onscreen, I was like, "Hey! Thar's that cyoot li'l PAYpay!" LOL!! FRYMYHIDE!!! I love that ***** li'l shrimp! :D LOL! (King Prawn, whatever...lol)

    LOVED seein' the theatre!!

    *sigh*

    SUCH a theatre...

    LOL! :p @Jackie&Emmy

    I love Whoopi Goldberg, but never could feel comfortable with her portrayin' God...eesh...in fact, I'm surprised they had a portrayal period! (beautiful scenery, though...lol)

    So, those are some o' my thoughts in a nutshell.


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