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Your Thoughts: Kermit's Swamp Years: TV Airings and Opinions

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Aug 16, 2002.

  1. DrummerMan

    DrummerMan Member

    Wow... rough crowd

    Contains a couple of VERY mild spoilers

    Ok... I know a bunch of you were expecting the Muppet Movie, except one better, but i think because you weren't blown away by the overall movie, you missed some of the subtleties.

    I think it WAS a return to the old style of Muppet movies. A lot of the elemenets of The Muppet Movie were back, including the overall feel of the piece... where it felt less like a manufactured Muppet world inhabited by a few humans and more like the Muppets of old, just being their own little part of the real world.

    I personally loved the character of Pilgrim. To me she embodied what a dog would be like if they talked.... hyper, somewhat nonsensical, and thrilled by things only a dog could love.

    Goggles and Croaker were also very well done. Goggles was a great obsesive compulsive Woddy Allen type and Croaker, though obviously a weird mix of Johnny Fiama and Pepe, had some great lines and was a good, solid character.

    I thought the references to Jim were fun, though sadly made WAY too obvious (come on... did we need the full screen shot of the mailbox)?

    The running gag with the bunnies was true classic Muppets (and an adult joke, I may add)

    The songs weren't show stoppers (as my friend pointed out, you could tell that Paul Williams wasn't involved), but they were stronger than most that have come out of recent family fare, and at least the muppets got to sing again. The Pet song was definitely classic Muppet style.

    Not to say there weren't some serious down sides. In general, the human acting was sub par and was missing that key Muppet ingrediant of throwing in famous faces in roles you would never expect (though this wasn't surprising after seeing the lack of famous faces at the 25th anniversary celebration... guess today's Hollywood crop is "too good" to work with the Muppets).

    The other thing that was seriously missing from a classic Muppet standpoint was characters. Most of the Muppets were extras, with limited personalities and lines. That was one of the things that made the early muppet movies so endearing was that there were new characters popping up everywhere and each had a real personality.

    I also agree tha thte flashback was a bit on the dark and twisted side and for a movie that is geared primarily towards kids, coudl be very distrubing.

    To sum up in short... I found myself laughing frequently and at times hard. This is impressive, since I'm not an easy sell when it comes to comedy (The Farrelly Brothers leave me flat). Plus, as with other newer movies, the cut scenes were the best part of all.

    In todays movie market, I give it atleast a 6 out of 10 (bordering on a 7) and hope it's a spring board for even greater Muppet movies to come. It's got to be hard without the genius of Jim... I'd say they are doing pretty good, considering.
  2. SNLIM

    SNLIM Well-Known Member

    To Traveling Matt

    Hey traveling matt, i'm originally (i say originally but not technically born there but wish i was) from arlington but have reccently moved to the woodlands (basically houston).

    My family and I are huge muppet fans but also go for anything and everything henson or oz. I myself, being only 17, didn't actually grow up when the muppet show was big so I grew up through old video tapes from my siblings. I can't tell you how nice it is to talk to people about muppets because nobody in my general age group know or cares about muppets! It really is sad, but hopefully this whole "25th anniversary" thing will spark some new intrest.

    BTW: does anybody know about anymore dark crystal figures being relased? such as mystics and skeksis?
  3. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member

    Keep me abreast of any Skeksis or Mystics that come out. The Jen and Kira dolls looked weird.
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member


    Welcome to the board! I'm from Houston though I now live in San Francisco. Too bad there aren't more Muppet fans your age, but maybe after the new fox show next year there will be.

    There are no plans at the current time to make Dark Crystal figures though Ken of Palisades has expressed some interest in another thread. There are dolls of Jen and Kira from Sideshow: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/dk_cryst.html

    Hope that helped.
  5. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member

    But Froggy, what did you think of Swamp Years?

  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Don't have Stars. Have to wait for the DVD. Not in a hurry to see it really.
  7. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member

    Nah, me neither.

    From what we've heard so far, it seems every bit the sad slab of banal product I feared it'd be:(

    Anyhoo, there's a new DVD version of 1984's Gremlins out:)

    Kinda Muppet-y, I guess:p
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I can't believe they got some cheesy actors to be in this. Why not just use the puppeteers then? That would be cool and they all have made cameos.
  9. SNLIM

    SNLIM Well-Known Member

    swamp years amoung other things...

    i think that the jen and kira look sort of weird myself (i own a pair), but not too bad. anyway, after this airing of swamp years i'm not so psyched about the new fox series if it's going to be anything like this. i'd rather them just use the old muppet show formatt with modern guest start, but then again i guess that's sort of what they tried to do with muppets tonight which bit the dust so...
  10. Jackie

    Jackie Well-Known Member

    It was worse than cheesy. IT was so bad they should have redone it.
  11. Struble

    Struble Well-Known Member

    Yeah, "from what you've heard." It's amazing that you haven't heard |anything| good about it. Yeap.

    I have a theory. My theory is that there isn't anybody who "expected" to hate it. Just people who |wanted| to hate it, so they did.

    Monkeys on surfboards eating bananas.
  12. Struble

    Struble Well-Known Member

    Re: swamp years amoung other things...

    That's a really abstract connection that you are making there. Because |you| didn't like a movie that was 100% geared for children, you don't expect the show -- which if not directed more towards adults, will be aimed at the whole family -- will not be good? Just because they were both made by the same people doesn't mean that they'll be |anything| alike. It would be like making a judgement on the movie Desperado after watching Spy Kids. They really have nothing in common.

  13. tomahawk

    tomahawk Well-Known Member

    i am so excited to buy this movie!!!!!! sept. 3 cannot come quick enough. like i said before the reveiws are really getting me up for swamp years.
  14. Sunshineboz

    Sunshineboz Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be in a hurry except that I did see it. I hope you like it Jamie. As I put, I wasn't completely sold but I wasn't disappointed by it either. OPTIMISM!!!
  15. dan

    dan Active Member

    I have NEVER wanted to not like a muppet movie. I get so fired up everytime one is released. But I am also able to call a film what it is, and this was SSOOOOOOOO BORING!
    I was extremely disappointed and would have been willing to except a lot less.
  16. towels

    towels Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: swamp years amoung other things...

    Were Desperado and Spy Kids produced by the same people? Written by the same people? I guarantee I'll pass judgement on any movie advertising "From the writer of Speed" or "From the Producers of Waterworld" before I see it.

    To me the questions should be why was this movie 100% geared for children? Who made that decision? How do we know they won't make that same decision for the series?
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Originally posted by SNLIM
    anyway, after this airing of swamp years i'm not so psyched about the new fox series if it's going to be anything like this.

    The new Muppet Show will be something new and edgy but will have classic elements. It is still in the formative stages, but it will likely be for a more adult audience. I wouldn't worry.
  18. Sunshineboz

    Sunshineboz Well-Known Member

    I think a few people are jumping to conclusions. This was a unique instance of a "different" type of show. They have to experiment y'all, they're artists and the must get their feet wet and try things out!!

    It doesn't mean that one not so good show will reflect on the rest. Just wait and see, predictions are just going to drive you insane and the "what if's" will only remain "what if's" regarding the comparison of KSY to the series coming up.

    If you're true Muppet fans, then remain optimistic...Believe in the power of the MUPPETS and their maintainers.

    I can eat my words later if need be but I'm thinking I won't have to.

    Take it easy yo.
  19. Struble

    Struble Well-Known Member

    Re: Re: Re: swamp years amoung other things...

    Both films were written, directed, and produced by Robert Rodriguez. He also did some of the camera operation in both films. With some of the other producers being the same people. Also Antonio Banderas and Cheech Marin play parts in both movies.

    These are, of course, two very different type of movies, and making judgements on one based on the other would just be plain silly.

  20. SNLIM

    SNLIM Well-Known Member

    i really didn't mean to start such an uproar by my last post, i realize that the new fox series may not be anything like swamp years and all that, i was just thinking. not that i don't want y'all to point out when i'm screwing up and stuff, i prefer you to, but i just wanted to let y'all (y'all? geez i really am in texas) know that i wasn't totally being pessimistic about the new series. i suppose that most of you are right in the whole "keeping faith in the muppets" and all.

    Now for something unrelated and random: (don't think i'm obsessed with these figures or anything) has anyone heard of rumors of a pepe action figure?

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