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Your Thoughts: Sesame Street Old School Volume 3 1979-1984 DVD

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Phillip, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Is "Cooperation Song" the one with the Anything Muppets making the garden?
  2. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Only a general copyright disclaimer is on the next to last page in the booklet. It also contains an interview with Telly Monster and a biography on Muppeteer Marty Robinson.
  3. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    That's right! "Cooperation makes it happen... Cooperation working together..."
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I would have thought maybe they could have added in a few last-minute (I wonder if incorrectly including "Henson Ball #3" was a last-minute addition). Regardless of when it was planned it's a little odd this set didn't include a little more to showcase Jerry's talents. Though I just remembered that one of the bonus segments features Mr. Johnson.

    As for special things in honor of Jerry, I'm hoping Sesame Workshop puts out a DVD spotlighting all of his characters and best one-shot performances.
  5. liss1979

    liss1979 Active Member

    Well, Walmart has this DVD backordered till the end of November, so I had to cancel it. Bummer!
  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well, so far so good. I've watched episodes 1576 and 1836, and many of the bonus clips (including everything that I previously hadn't heard of).

    I've noticed some mistakes and contradictory information in the booklet. It says that Polly Darton debuted in season 13, while one segment with her is included under season 12, and that song (according to Muppet Wiki) is copyrighted 1980 so the sketch placement isn't a mistake (maybe she started out as a one-shot character and became a regular in season 13). It also incorrectly lists Forgetful Jones as having debuted in season 11, when a season 12 press release said that he debuted that season, though the time says that he debuted in 1980.

    After reading the content listing, I started remembering the "in the rain" segment with Maria as Charlie Chaplin. That was great to see again. Interestingly, the booklet for volume 2 includes a trademark credit for Charlie Chaplin's appearance but no such credit is in this volmes booklet (it wasn't noted in the credits of the previous volume).

    I assumed "weather around the world" was a film insert, so I was surprised to see that it is actually the sketch with Simon Soundman listening to a colonel talk about his trip around the world. That's actually a pleaseant surprise.

    Although there are no Deena and Pearl sketches included, the "Big Hello 1-20" clip does feature Deena. It's a shame we don't hear her talk (ditto with Poco Loco, I'd have liked to have heard the voice Michael Earl used for the character). It's also interesting how the disc 2 main menu has that clip, when the full clip is on disc 1.
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Some more thoughts and observations:

    • The "Dr. Noble Price: Talky Stick" segment does not have the News Flash logo nor any mention of Sesame Street News, though it does have the theme music (somebody on Muppet Wiki mentoned that it's an "urgent" variation of the theme song, but the logo isn't cut from the other segments on the DVD). In fact, it's one of the few news segments to have the News Flash theme at the end as well as the beginning, and is the first Dr. Nobel Price segment to have a closing shot of the island.
    • I wonder if Jim Henson really did perform Warren Wolf or if it was an assumption/faulty memory which translated to Muppet Wiki editors, because in this sketch Kevin Clash performs Warren Wolf. The 40th anniversary book does note that Clash performed Warren while also noting the character was "originally a Jim Henson creation", but I know that the writer of that book researched Muppet Wiki for some things. Still, if Henson did perform the character, I wouldn't be surprised if Clash originated Warren (like he did Buster) and Henson took over later (since Clash wasn't officially a Muppet performer at the time). I kinda like the way Warren reacts to Dr. Nobel Price, but something about the performance isn't "Muppety" to me (I don't know how often Kevin Clash performed in season 12). Finally, I must mention that this segment has an announcer who isn't Jerry Nelson. Am I right in assuming the announcer is Michael Earl?
    • I find it odd that there's no Super-Grover segments as a bonus or replacement segment (as Super-Grover isn't in any of the episodes). The only Super-Grover segment I know of that's from this period is the computer sketch, which I feel is one of the best-remembered Super-Grover segments. Still, I'm not too unhappy that there's no Super-Grover, not when this set has Dr. Nobel Price, Warren Wolf, Bruno, Teeny Little Super Guy, and Aristotle.
    • The 40th anniversary book has a behind-the-scenes photo of what looks like The Count acting as announcer in episode 1836, but he's not in the episode (unless it's cut from both this release and the Noggin broadcasts). I wonder if that was a different episode/sketch placed with images from the marathon episode.
    • I don't mind the fact that Honk Around the Clock was added as a replacement for the Cab Calloway segment, but I feel it should have been replaced with a different Count segment. Without it, and with no Count segments as bonus clips, there's only two Count segments on this set, one of which is just a voice-over.
    • For years Monsterpiece Theater: Chariots of Fur had been my most-wanted-segment on DVD. Now that it's on DVD, I wonder what'll replace it as what I want most (probably the Kermit and Grover "earmuff salesman" sketch). And I must say this segment looks so much better than it does on sesamestreet.org.
    • Although I would have preferred an Aristotle segment that's not on sesamestreet.org, I do prefer the "reading lesson" segment over the "Aristotle makes lunch" clip.
    • It's interesting how "Show Open" is a chapter stop on all episodes, considering the opening is cut. Isn't that what the "play" button is for? Previous volumes didn't have a "Show Open" button (and only two episodes had their opening street scenes as chapter stops).
    • I know I've said this before, but what is with all the bonus clips involving weather, especially rain? "Rainy Day Song", "In the Rain", and "Trash Outta Heaven" are both about rain, the behind-the-scenes footage of "Dr. Nobel Price: Umbrella" obviously involves rain (and it looks like that clip's not included), "Weather Around the World" and "Snowflake" are obviously about weather, and "How to Be a Grouch" has a section on grouchy weather. It's not a big deal, and most of the segments are among the DVDs highlights, but it's still something to wonder.
    • In the birdwatchers episode, when Big Bird finds a bird in the biggest birdhouse at the sancturary, is that bird performed by Richard Hunt or Brian Meehl? Speaking of Meehl, I recall the behind-the-scenes footage showing him in the Barkley suit (without the head) but I don't recall Barkley in the episode. I assume he performed Big Bird's Uncle Slim (Richard was in the same shot so it couldn't have been Richard).
    • Was the Uncle Slim costume a reused walk-around Big Bird from Sesame Place or Sesame Street Live? Because I thought I saw him move both arms, and he seems to move differently from Big Bird.
    • Until I saw the DVD Talk review refer to a "Cookie Monster & Kermit" segment I had thought that the "beginning, middle, and end" segment was from the late-1980s, but was quick to suspect this was the segment in question.
    • The "Snowflake" segment looks like it could have been one of those season 5 winter episodes, though I assume it is from the season the DVD says it is. Then again, the set does incorrectly refer to Henson Ball #3 as being from season 15... (of course I could watch it again and see how the wooden fence looks)
  8. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Are you talking about this image:


    'Cause that's from the show's on-screen adaptation of the album, "The Count Counts."
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    no. The image in question is on page 105. There's a picture of Big Bird and Snuffy from the joggin episode, and besides that are two behind-the-scenes images of The Count at the bridge, holding a microphone. The text seems to confirm that it's from the same episode (there's also a picture and mention of a segment where Oscar went jogging in Central Park, but the text clearly refers to that as a seperate segment from season 10).
  10. sesamemuppetfan

    sesamemuppetfan Well-Known Member

    I believe it comes from the 1993 video "We All Sing Together". But I do agree with you that there should have been a little more footage with The Count involved in this DVD set. :batty:
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  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    The review at Muppet Central points out that the booklet has images from Mister Rogers' appearance yet it isn't in the set, but the booklet also has pictures of many other celebrities who don't appear in the set, either.

    Well, Sesame Workshop didn't post any "Sesame Bits" comics to promote this release.
  12. jonnytbird

    jonnytbird Well-Known Member

    I just bought it maybe two hours ago at a local Barnes and Noble store! Here's what I can add from what you said, Drtooth. Deena was featured (mainly as a background character) in the Season 12 cut "Big Hello 1-20". But I kinda share the same disappointments that you have, Drtooth. The biggest disappointment for me was re-using "Henson Ball #3" with the cherry ending. First of all, we already have that on volume 2. Second of all, that was on WAY before Season 15. As for feeling disappointed in not seeing those rare muppet characters, it probably wouldn't have been anything political if it would've been released as 3 DVDs like the last two were.

    Also, I noticed that one of my favorite SS cartoons "Swedish Number Cartoons" were all replaced from 1446, 1706, and 1836. But earlier this year, I noticed that those cartoons were originally from another kids show from Sweden called "Fem Myror". Maybe Owe Gustafson didn't sign any DVD release forms for his cartoons or whatever. And Phillip, you forgot to add on your review that on Episode 1446, the "8 octopus tentacles" cartoon was replaced with "Ringmaster #8".

    I was so pysched to find out that one of my wishes for this release came true! They included "Warren Wolf's interview with Dr Nobel Price"! What's interesting with this is that it doesn't use the "News Flash" logo but begins by zooming on his island laboratory painting. Also, Michael Earl annonces it and not Jerry Nelson. I thought I'd hear Jim Henson's voice for Warren Wolf but it sounded more like Kevin Clash instead!

    Hopefully, there will be a Volume 4 DVD boxset with a little more than 5 bonus clips per season. Maybe as much as the past two volmes?
  13. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Part of the reason for that is they went with 2 discs instead of 3. So we ended up with three full episodes on one disc, which doesn't leave much space for other material. I guess to keep it consistent, they used the same number of clips per season and filled up the spare space on disc 2 with some other goodies. I don't know why they went that route with two discs (saves money?), but its not necessarily a bad thing.
  14. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Thank you, I'll update the review. There was a lot of comparison work to list everything.
  15. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    I agree more classic clips would be great. We had less than half of those on this set. However, due to production costs and royalties I think we all would rather have a 2 disc Old School Volume 4, rather than no Volume 4 at all.
  16. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    After rewatching several times, I was wrong. The main menu clip on disc 2 is the opening song from episode 1706, and the clip starts with everybody saying hello.
  17. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    If they did need to pay royalties for the theme, I don't see why they simply didn't just not bother with various other rights. Clearly, the most expensive things they had to clear are "Happy Birthday" and the Star Wars characters; the latter is just a bonus clip and the former is part of the episode. If they didn't include the Star Wars bit, would anyone complain? Nope. Some people wouldn't be please that #1316 would have a slight edit, but if it meant the theme and other segments had to be cut, I would say they could've easily been cut without any other issues.
  18. jonnytbird

    jonnytbird Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't have complained if it didn't feature the Star Wars characters. We have been fortunate to have seen the two episodes featuring them unedited from Noggin. Another bonus clip with The Count would've been nice too. I was surprised that The Count wasn't used a whole lot for the "40 Years of Sunny Days" DVD. Neither was Guy Smiley, who was actually my favorite Henson character from SS. Since the 40th anniversary book did quote from the third "Beat The Time" insert, that would've been nice to see on either one of those DVDs.
  19. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    All the Beat the Time segments appear on Sesame Street Spoofs.
  20. jonnytbird

    jonnytbird Well-Known Member

    I know! Thank God for 'Sesame Street Spoofs'! But what I mentioned earlier was something that I thought the 40th anniversary DVD could include. But at last now we don't have to worry about that anymore.

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